Yesterday I thought about it, the current ruling govt's plan is to let sinkies

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reduce in numbers - or to put it bluntly, slowly die off

while other countries want to raise TFR, SG already realised it's hard to get people to give birth because this is a global trend esp in developing and small countries

it's a phenomenon in HK, SG, KR, JP, even China which has a large place

the mice experiment already showed people wont give birth when resources are lacking

so they just continue to import and it is easier.

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they also realised the pioneer and merdeka gen are dying off. after that gen a lot of people are divided (those in 50s, or even 60s etc) in selecting the govt that gives the direction

pioneer and merdeka vote for them because of the benefits for them are crazy and they totally benefited from govt policies in the past

so they cannot rely on these people to vote for them. easiest way is to bring in foreigners who will at least vote for them for a few elections

give those talented and rich elites who want to stay here, citizenship

they rather let sinkies slowly die off, esp those middle class and lower.

only certain group keeps giving birth even if they live in rental flats. other demographics all wont give birth enough to raise TFR. these people are educated but not doing so well esp with crazy costs of living esp housing. the group that keeps giving birth will cont to do so while the educated underemployed will not give birth no matter what

if u see interviews, or dating apps a lot of people dont want children esp women

the govt needs more revenue to feed people fiercely loyal to them and those sinkies that have yet to die off (now maybe in their 60s, or younger)...... as the population ages there will be more of this sandwiched demographic/generation

they need not address or acknowledge the issue, because if they target a certain group/demographics, it will be a sensitive topic and some of these people will protest or worse.

so they turn a blind eye to things that are happening (low birthrate cept certain groups), FTs bullying sinkies, snatching jobs


they want to give msians more PRs so that they still contribute taxes and hopefully some of them or the talented ones become sinkies

that way the govt can leech on their taxes and CPF until they leave

sure many sinkies are unhappy but no one came out to voice this. u see HWZ will ban u at any mention of this or at least issue points until u get banned

oppo dont rly dare nor want to touch this hot potato topic also


so basically it's using monies from those working (middle class and above sinkies) and PRs, bring in more rich foreigners to tax, continue to let costs of living go up, make sinkies compete with foreigners and make our housing prices rise up and benefit mainly and mostly jiu hu kias


by doing so, middle class and below that are working will have to work like hell, never able to retire. Only JHKs can retire.

this sandwiched class will be getting some or least small wee bit of help as they become older and lose their jobs or after servicing HDBs or maybe they just have 1 -2 kids. It will be worse off than the silver support now.

now raising kids are expensive and tbh ROI is almost non existent. govt needs to grab more cash because the way SG is heading it's hard to expand esp we have little land and AI comes in.

In the future, these middle class with little or no income and savings will be given small amount of money just barely able to let them survive. it will be WAY WORST off than current pioneer and merdeka gen. This is esp true for those born 80s and beyond, but some born in late 70s also kena

only those born in 60s or early 70s benefited the most from all the housing, COL and other policies

those jiak liao bees doing grab all these (thats why they imposed CPF), will continue to leech on govt and the other tax payers esp when they become old


This is the reality I gather, that is happening now and well into the future

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actually the right way is to kick JHKs who leech on us out. but all these hot potato issues are very hard to handle. or minimally tax them heavily or do up policies to make sure they contribute more

I dont understand why they are not doing this to JHK. This is the best time to do it while they are earning the most and Msia is still not developing in the right direction

PAP pretends not to see this problem and continues to pretend.

They want to keep middle income and below as slaves like mice running the wheel.

The housing policy that benefits JHK is the #1 thing i think needs to be addressed, but PAP and oppo dont dare to talk about this.

Because JHKs are already very integrated and take up probably at least 20% of our jobs

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Global issue, act of God, no amount of engineering will help, market forces

You see the terms they always use you know they are helpless and pushing the blame to everyone and everything yet at the same time keep asking ppl to vote them cos they have all the solutions

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Global issue, act of God, no amount of engineering will help, market forces

You see the terms they always use you know they are helpless and pushing the blame to everyone and everything yet at the same time keep asking ppl to vote them cos they have all the solutions

they already stopped trying to raise TFR

i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........

say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas

but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.

if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it

because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents

but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward

those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year

then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?

We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues

I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.

if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it

or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity

thats why this rewards system is good.

only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society

this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"

then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?

if a couple is earning just under 30k or under 50k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support. So this policy above is not stopping people from having kids, but making sure that the kids have enough attention, help and $$ as they grow up

not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats


Why should tax payers bear the responsibility for irresponsible parents? U dont go poop out 1 kid get ur 10k or whatever the sum then dont educate them properly

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they already stopped trying to raise TFR

i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........

say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas

but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.

if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it

because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents

but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward

those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year

then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?

We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues

I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.

if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it

or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity

thats why this rewards system is good.

only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society

this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"

then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?

if 2 poor couple earning just under 30k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support

not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats

This reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children.  Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.

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u see ah, just need to confirm the couple can make a total of 50k. or even 40k PA for past 3 yrs before giving birth.

isnt this fucking easy?

40k PA is totally 1000000000000000000% achievable for a couple who grad minimally O'levels. Even fucking N'levels or below also can get this as dual income. this is the minimum amount to get the reward I proposed. If ITE also definitely 100000000000% achievable

this is even more needless so say for diploma and uni level

How hard is it to earn 2k per mth, esp with grabfood also earning way above that and now got CPF system to track?

20k PA per person (40k per couple) is very achievable. that's 1.666k per person. i think even Mcdonalds also give more than this. If not just adjust accordingly at 35k or 38k.

that's 20k per person and less than 2k per mth. now with progressive wages that's totally achievable even as a security guard + work in fast food restaurant or as grab (1 person holding 1 job, not 1 person slogging day and night doing 2 jobs)

if a couple, cannot even be bothered to work hard, or got health/mental issues, do u want them to keep giving birth 3 or 4 or 5 then have more social issues?

why dont the govt know how to implement policies through some thinking instead of going through some stupid scholars with what national health record national career records? - https://docs.developer.tech.gov.sg/docs?product=National%20Career%20Records%20(NCR)

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This reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children.  Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.

maybe u re-read my rewards system........... my rewards system meaning to incentivise those who can most likely ALREADY afford it. and make those who cant afford it work harder at work so they can afford it.

Not incentivise those living in rental flats with the ah beng mat rempit druggie go work 2 days a week, catch fish 1 day dry net 3 days.捕一天鱼，晒三天网

 then the mum poking herself with needles and zoh boh lan everyday just play game/watch tv go down hang around wait to pop finish the baby then after that fuck again and get another baby and repeat many cycles

if u dont give them the 1 time incentive coz they dont deserve it the next time they will remember to use rubber or plastic bag when they want to fuck because there's nothing in it for them instead of the current policy

if even all these incentives come with prerequisites and caveats, the next time they know how to get contraceptives from polyclinics liao

if these idiots cant think for themselves govt needs to think for them and impose hard handed policies. im not asking the govt to fine them like in the dunno what 60s or 70s and impose birth control policies but asking these govt not to incentivise these social problems to breed another generation of social problems

and also it's not a 1 time monetary incentive. that one is ok, but we also need to give them other benefits to deal with housing and other costs of living, education etc etc


the current policy is to incentivise any tom dick and harry pai kia druggie ah lian ah huay and u-know-who to keeps fucking and keeps giving birth but dont give enough attention to their kids

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This reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children.  Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.

and the govt is not helping the problem! i rem the LHL or LW still happily smile and say what we are giving more incentives to people to encourage to give birth!

anyone can fuck and give birth. but do these people even put in effort to raise the kids?

so after their national day rally or budget where they smile and say give more money to popping out kids....... the TFR got improve?

the middle income and above still not having kids because it's expensive and time consuming and ROI is bad. they know the 1 time reward is nth. they want social help and govt to help more not just in money but also overall policy like education and ensuring the kids get a chance to compete in life and live a fulfilling life

the lower income idiots continue to pop out more kids in rental flat because now they get what one time 10k 20k subsidised giving birth

my dad not highly educated but he was smart and also got think. it's not just pop out 1 kid

those other idiots are plain stupid (u know whom) and just want the 1 time monetary reward

did PAP fix the issue?

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housing policies are also shit. got time i will post in this consolidated thread

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maybe u re-read my rewards system........... my rewards system meaning to incentivise those who can most likely ALREADY afford it. and make those who cant afford it work harder at work so they can afford it.

Not incentivise those living in rental flats with the ah beng mat rempit druggie go work 2 days a week, catch fish 1 day dry net 3 days.捕一天鱼，晒三天网

 then the mum poking herself with needles and zoh boh lan everyday just play game/watch tv go down hang around wait to pop finish the baby then after that fuck again and get another baby and repeat many cycles

if u dont give them the 1 time incentive coz they dont deserve it the next time they will remember to use rubber or plastic bag when they want to fuck because there's nothing in it for them instead of the current policy

if even all these incentives come with prerequisites and caveats, the next time they know how to get contraceptives from polyclinics liao

if these idiots cant think for themselves govt needs to think for them and impose hard handed policies. im not asking the govt to fine them like in the dunno what 60s or 70s and impose birth control policies but asking these govt not to incentivise these social problems to breed another generation of social problems

and also it's not a 1 time monetary incentive. that one is ok, but we also need to give them other benefits to deal with housing and other costs of living, education etc etc


the current policy is to incentivise any tom dick and harry pai kia druggie ah lian ah huay and u-know-who to keeps fucking and keeps giving birth but dont give enough attention to their kids

Hmm, this group of ppl will still breed like rabbits with or without the incentives. Imo Incentives should be fine-tuned to encourage the middle class families to have kids instead.

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they already stopped trying to raise TFR

i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........

say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas

but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.

if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it

because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents

but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward

those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year

then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?

We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues

I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.

if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it

or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity

thats why this rewards system is good.

only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society

this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"

then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?

if a couple is earning just under 30k or under 50k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support. So this policy above is not stopping people from having kids, but making sure that the kids have enough attention, help and $$ as they grow up

not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats


Why should tax payers bear the responsibility for irresponsible parents? U dont go poop out 1 kid get ur 10k or whatever the sum then dont educate them properly

Woah bro WOT!!!!!

I'm not an expert and I know it sounds easy but if environment is conducive, ppl will naturally have children, same as the mice experiment you mentioned earlier

All the carrots -  cash handouts, parental leave are secondary.....

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and the govt is not helping the problem! i rem the LHL or LW still happily smile and say what we are giving more incentives to people to encourage to give birth!

anyone can fuck and give birth. but do these people even put in effort to raise the kids?

so after their national day rally or budget where they smile and say give more money to popping out kids....... the TFR got improve?

the middle income and above still not having kids because it's expensive and time consuming and ROI is bad. they know the 1 time reward is nth. they want social help and govt to help more not just in money but also overall policy like education and ensuring the kids get a chance to compete in life and live a fulfilling life

the lower income idiots continue to pop out more kids in rental flat because now they get what one time 10k 20k subsidised giving birth

my dad not highly educated but he was smart and also got think. it's not just pop out 1 kid

those other idiots are plain stupid (u know whom) and just want the 1 time monetary reward

did PAP fix the issue?

Pap doesn't care about the middle class. Low income families should never be incentivized for having kids. They only know how to bring a kid to this world to suffer.

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Pap doesn't care about the middle class. Low income families should never be incentivized for having kids. They only know how to bring a kid to this world to suffer.

ya thats my point, i understand all of u also can understand and somewhat concerned since we are still sinkies

but they want the lower income votes

but isnt this penny wise pound foolish? the middle class and above not having kids yet those problematic ones will continue to have kids?

frankly if ure rich u will still continue to have kids with or w/o incentives coz if u got say 5m or 10m and above what the fuck is 10k or 20k so this group is out. if u are rich u can choose to have 0 kids, 1 kid or 20 kids

they totally lost the middle income votes

and by middle income i think it's 50k for a couple and above. i dont know whats the middle income family now la but this is a good guideline since now dual income making 25k per person per year is not impossible esp with progressive wages

even working as cleaner or security guard u will get more money. dont take my words for it. im sure u all also read

security guard now is minimally 3k+ per yr. cleaners minimally close to 2k as starting or sth

if let's say u are ITE grad so is ur spouse. u start lower pay probably also can hit. and u need to prove 3 yrs working to get the incentive

if u want to grad already immediately get married and give birth that's ok but u wont get the incentive lor. or maybe cut the 3 yr proof to 2 yrs

are u sure u want idiots who cant earn that much through SIMPLE hard work and sucking it up at work, to start a family and give birth?

im not saying idiots coz some people are just not good at studying. im saying idiots who cant think simple things

but again the govt wont do this discriminatory practice so as not to lose the lower income votes. just continue to kick the can down the road ok?

im sure u all know, even as a grab rider............. also can hit the amount i mentioned. EVEN probably as a solo income if he works hard. 30k or 40k per yr not that impossible to achieve leh

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i think 30k or 40k is a good guideline to incentivize couples who deserve to be rewarded for having kids?

not some druggie shits living in rental flats. sorry unpopular name calling. maybe well they didnt have a choice when they were growing up in rental flats living with druggie parents so they resorted to drugs

but well, maybe this is an incentive for them to become clean and be good citizens/parents? and possibly receive incentives sometime down the road? if they can rehabilitate and quit drugs im sure they can also make sufficient to qualify under the Progressive wage model?

do we really want these bengs and lians that cant hold down a job and just released from DRC or prison to just go into rental flats and start making babies?