Can you really trust an FT who 'converted' to become a sinkie ~ ?

[GhostZM]

Why should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD?  Just cos they served?

At least they spent the time to serve..no?
Then might as well dun trust anyone..


CheerS!!!😉

[nyvrem]

Isn't this the same if you are a sinkie and become an Australian?

thats y moi notch Ozzy !

[nyvrem]

Why should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD?  Just cos they served?

the trustworthy part for guys who served NS is because they are assigned to key positions requiring clearance. you are literally trusting these ppl with national security.

also simi "contract is over" ?

im not talking about staying in SG vs run road overseas.

im talking about the person's allergenics. last time when i was living in AZ, luke air force base was nearby, many sinkies there (either posted there from RASF, or settled down around the area). u telling me we cannot trust them as sinkies?

at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, where will these FT converts be? still in SG or running back home to India/China/Malaysia? because most sinkies i know who 'quit' overseas eventually return home cause of family. these FTs leh? If i follow the logic of how sinkies will always return back from overseas because family in SG, then same goes for FT in SG mah. they will always go back to their home country cause their family is there.

    
 

[Philipkee]

the trustworthy part for guys who served NS is because they are assigned to key positions requiring clearance. you are literally trusting these ppl with national security.

also simi "contract is over" ?

im not talking about staying in SG vs run road overseas.

im talking about the person's allergenics. last time when i was living in AZ, luke air force base was nearby, many sinkies there (either posted there from RASF, or settled down around the area). u telling me we cannot trust them as sinkies?

at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, where will these FT converts be? still in SG or running back home to India/China/Malaysia? because most sinkies i know who 'quit' overseas eventually return home cause of family. these FTs leh? If i follow the logic of how sinkies will always return back from overseas because family in SG, then same goes for FT in SG mah. they will always go back to their home country cause their family is there.

    
 

Contract is over - means regular.

And some people migrate with their family

[nyvrem]

Contract is over - means regular.

And some people migrate with their family

1 moment u say 'many'

Why should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD?  Just cos they served?

now you say 'some'

please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.

u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification

while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.

    

[nyvrem]

btw if we talking about sinkies who really cut ties with SG. its not many.

Over the past three years, an average of 1,480 citizens per year renounced their Singapore Citizenship (SC). Of these, 21% were naturalised SCs. The annual renunciation rate of citizens has remained low at under 0.1% of the citizen population.

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parliamentary/written-reply-to-pq-on-number-of-singaporeans-who-renounced-their-citizenship-over-the-past-three-years/

but again, this is not about giving up SC or PR but trust issues with someone who's never really understood the meaning of life in SG, neither do they have deep roots in SG. their extended family still living elsewhere.

[FireOpal]

Isn't this the same if you are a sinkie and become an Australian?

Singaporean parents born in Singapore. And the Singaporean child born in Singapore.
If the person decided to migrate, It means Singapore is unsuitable to live.

Compare to those foreigners who work here, their parents are not born here. Themselves are not born here.

S-pass, employment pass, LTVP, PRs, new citizens, so many of them come here to make money whether stay for 5 to 20 years.

PRs and new citizens always have plans to buy property at home country to retire there. Everyone know sell SG property at high prices is for their retirement fund going back to home country.
Loyalty to Singapore? Hahaha S$500k more important to bring back to motherland.


Did you think they are the same as real Singaporeans with their parents and grandparents who are here since 1930s?

[Philipkee]

1 moment u say 'many'

now you say 'some'

please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.

u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification

while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.

    

https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/default-source/ips/cna_more-singaporeans-going-abroad-but-are-no-less-singaporean-for-it_020917-pdf.pdf?sfvrsn=1b799f0b_0

200k over Singaporeans are living and working overseas.  Is it many as a percentage of population?

While many have not renounced their citizenship, should the host country trust them since they are still loyal here while working there?  Should we still trust them when they are living there but still maintaining ties here?

Of cos, point noted they can be outliers.  But when we say foreigners cannot be trusted in Singapore cos they can always run back, are we talking about outliers also?  I know during Covid many were screaming they wanna go back but many foreign workers also stayed on with us.  Do we have actual numbers to say these are not outliers?

[Philipkee]

1 moment u say 'many'

now you say 'some'

please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.

u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification

while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.

    

Wah lau.  Some vs many

MANY people immigrate
SOME of them bring their families over

Cos only a subset of people who migrate over do so with their families

[Philipkee]

Singaporean parents born in Singapore. And the Singaporean child born in Singapore.
If the person decided to migrate, It means Singapore is unsuitable to live.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/commentary-many-overseas-singaporeans-thinking-returning-what-weighs-their-minds-999426

Actually many Singaporeans (is 58% considered many?) do think of returning eventually.  Whether they do so is really dependent on situation but the thought is there Liao

[Risa]

foreigners out

[nyvrem]

https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/default-source/ips/cna_more-singaporeans-going-abroad-but-are-no-less-singaporean-for-it_020917-pdf.pdf?sfvrsn=1b799f0b_0

200k over Singaporeans are living and working overseas.  Is it many as a percentage of population?

While many have not renounced their citizenship, should the host country trust them since they are still loyal here while working there?  Should we still trust them when they are living there but still maintaining ties here?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/commentary-many-overseas-singaporeans-thinking-returning-what-weighs-their-minds-999426

Actually many Singaporeans (is 58% considered many?) do think of returning eventually.  Whether they do so is really dependent on situation but the thought is there Liao

u really type for the sake of typing sia

i quote u to answer ur own question ba

    

[nyvrem]

Wah lau.  Some vs many

MANY people immigrate
SOME of them bring their families over

Cos only a subset of people who migrate over do so with their families

now u r just talking about a subset of a subset

that tiny tiny portion of ppl to suit ur argument

    

[nyvrem]

But when we say foreigners cannot be trusted in Singapore cos they can always run back, are we talking about outliers also?

nope. not outliners.

in fact, even ICA had to insert a clause in their renunciation form last time to tell Malaysians - "bky close cpf acct and run road go stay in Malaysia by giving up SG PR"


https://www.reddit.com/r/singaporefi/comments/15zqkqa/cpf_withdrawal_restrictions_on_malaysians_removed/

it was that rampart