if put this topic on EDMW sure can sit in ntuc forever liao.
but if u think about it, garhmen everytime say sinkieland ish our home, we must protect it, SAF say fight to defend family, protect homeland, blah blah blah
then u meet a 'convert', will you consider him/her a sinkie? they betrayed their own country and jump ship to sinkieland. what makes u say they won't jump ship again and leave u stranded? their own garhmen would have been telling them that they must protect their own country, etc etc also mah
but they just betrayed their own people and run road to SG
damn scarwee wor this type of peepur
bo loyalty huan
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Convert to me is under probation. I'll refer them as "New Singapore Citizen". Several conditions allow them to upgrade to "Singaporean". They are:
1) Treat Singapore as their home in their hearts.
2) Do not treat their birth country as their home anymore.
AND:
1) Go through NS
Or if too old already, their offspring must do NS. Only upon completion of NS or their offspring complete NS then I consider them Singaporeans.
If offsprings all daughters then one of them must sign on SAF, Police, CDF or nursing. Upon sign on then I consider them Singaporeans.
If these uniformed services don't want them, then any of the daughters need to have an offspring who will do NS if boy or sign on if girl.
By that time already ah mah ah gong already. If the conditions not met, to me still "New Singapore Citizen".
convert is not a true blue sinkie
and the loyalty remains to be seen
at least one generation before he/she can be considered as one of us
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quite true, was true abt 20 yrs ago
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I only trust more if he has served, esp in a combat vocation and really assimilated with us. Speak like us and fully vested with housing and all.
And no bs like what wife still got PR in his home country.
Hard to say tbh. Even for any race or religion.
My mum was from china in 1950s but that is to escape communism.
If we run to oz or us, our allegiance lies there or with sg?
Tink due to them easy to get the toilet paper, not treasure the opportunity.
Majority I think lowly of the pink IC. Just make use to springboard to Angmo countries.
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 28, 2024, 07:29 PMTink due to them easy to get the toilet paper, not treasure the opportunity.
Majority I think lowly of the pink IC. Just make use to springboard to Angmo countries.
Ya most, not all. Esp indians. For chinese more like backup in case anything happens
Personally, as long as they are not born and breed here i won't consider them as sinkie
Quote from: horiv3 on Apr 28, 2024, 07:39 PMPersonally, as long as they are not born and breed here i won't consider them as sinkie
True also. My grandma got go back a few times.. but my mum nv had the chance to go back. Hais
Frankly i feel if ure born in the country then u got no choice but to feel allegiance
But my mum and her sis, considered themselves singaporeans rather than tiongs, my mum explicitly said that before.
Now mostly see us as springboards. But i know got some indians and chinese also plan to live here forever
I just feel, all of us must think of our own interests first
Quote from: default on Apr 28, 2024, 07:25 PMHard to say tbh. Even for any race or religion.
My mum was from china in 1950s but that is to escape communism.
If we run to oz or us, our allegiance lies there or with sg?
if u run away from a dictatorship, run away from war, your home destroyed
u really have no allegiance to that country since they macham disown you
but those jhk, take PR/SG citizenship, then wife hold onto bolehland citizenship and SG PR
can trust meh
Quote from: default on Apr 28, 2024, 07:25 PMHard to say tbh. Even for any race or religion.
My mum was from china in 1950s but that is to escape communism.
If we run to oz or us, our allegiance lies there or with sg?
My a kong aslo tiongland born .. when he brought over his wifey and have 8 -9 kids here I believe he allegiances alr here cos he mybf go back tiong side
And he also got housing here got work here
There tiong side he got communist burning his backside n failed to be conscripted status .. go back also failed human status so means back then he also won't go back .. so for me .. new citizen also is combo of push plus pull factors
Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 28, 2024, 08:42 PMif u run away from a dictatorship, run away from war, your home destroyed
u really have no allegiance to that country since they macham disown you
but those jhk, take PR/SG citizenship, then wife hold onto bolehland citizenship and SG PR
can trust meh
this one is true, msian rly loves sgd and hates sinkies. my tenant is such person. it's probably true got 90% or 99% of them
anyway they are total leeches they just want to work here but dont wish to convert or eat/pay in sg
Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 28, 2024, 08:42 PMif u run away from a dictatorship, run away from war, your home destroyed
u really have no allegiance to that country since they macham disown you
but those jhk, take PR/SG citizenship, then wife hold onto bolehland citizenship and SG PR
can trust meh
thats why i think circumstances different. that time the ccp was really very jialat
but now a bit getting worse. if i were them right, say before XJP time, i would think things are ok and turning better since DXP
india dunno, but most of them even sg born they find their wives from india and they always go back. they also very nationalistic
u see Iswaran u know liao. my friend also born in sg but can see his allegiance is partly to india
for me, i dont feel any allegiance to china but i dont hate it compared to many edmwers...... some of whom nv even have close links to china (my uncles and relatives still there)......
i dislike both pro and anti-china, i feel they too extreme
i like to think of my roots being from china and race from china, so indeed i wish for it to become more powerful but not in overbearing way and not become like evil or rude or try to exert/assert that some place is theirs.
however, I really dislike the CCP's draconian laws, esp MZD and current XJP
people who hate me or this place can say whatever they like. i think it's the same for indians or malays wanting their race/country to be strong. just like i want sg to be strong to stand its ground.
but i think it's hard to be both strong and not become evil/overbearing. US in itself also became war monger in many ways.
it's complicated lah, not sure if u all get me
i think taiwan punches above its weight and also makes us as chinese proud with the AMD, Nvidia, TSMC etc.
but they also got 1 tonne of shit problems and go suck US cock that i dont like. US is just using Taiwan as a chip....... in this world it's rly every man for himself.
Taiwan's politics is also shit and people quite fake at times..... that's why they love Msia a lot more than SG. Plus they always criticize SG and say shit about us, that's why i dont like Taiwan also
Very subjective. If a PR has done NSF for 2 years, I am inclined to trust him more than a NC who does not.
They can run away anytime since one spouse is still holding other countries pass.
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Its still a true statement leh, if ahboy born in china or india, maybe dont even have chance to study, nevermind work under a manager from China / CEO from India. If born in Thailand maybe need to be a gogoboy even
I classify New Citizen (who didn't serve NS) in the same category with PAP..they can't be trusted
CheerS!!!😉
of course not
Quote from: jim889 on Apr 29, 2024, 08:21 PMhe said save baybee ish oso ns
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pap logic
Quote from: drdoof on Apr 28, 2024, 10:06 PMVery subjective. If a PR has done NSF for 2 years, I am inclined to trust him more than a NC who does not.
Can't trust PR, they r worse since can run road anytime. Can't let them do nsf. It's a risk to country intelligence.
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 30, 2024, 02:53 AMCan't trust PR, they r worse since can run road anytime. Can't let them do nsf. It's a risk to country intelligence.
At least some prs paid their dues for doing nsf together with sg born citizens. New citizens can also run road if they choose to.
I dun care about them. Heck, I dun even bother to go green and recycle
Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 28, 2024, 05:56 PMif put this topic on EDMW sure can sit in ntuc forever liao.
but if u think about it, garhmen everytime say sinkieland ish our home, we must protect it, SAF say fight to defend family, protect homeland, blah blah blah
then u meet a 'convert', will you consider him/her a sinkie? they betrayed their own country and jump ship to sinkieland. what makes u say they won't jump ship again and leave u stranded? their own garhmen would have been telling them that they must protect their own country, etc etc also mah
but they just betrayed their own people and run road to SG
damn scarwee wor this type of peepur
bo loyalty huan
:frown: :frown: :frown:
Isn't this the same if you are a sinkie and become an Australian?
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 30, 2024, 02:53 AMCan't trust PR, they r worse since can run road anytime. Can't let them do nsf. It's a risk to country intelligence.
Actually this thinking can also be why there is nepotism and cronyism. Cos you can't trust an outsider in a position of power. Cos the outsider might just be coming in with the aim of causing chaos and and then running away
Follow this thinking and you can see where it leads to
Quote from: GhostZM on Apr 29, 2024, 01:31 PMI classify New Citizen (who didn't serve NS) in the same category with PAP..they can't be trusted
CheerS!!!😉
Why should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD? Just cos they served?
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 10:15 AMWhy should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD? Just cos they served?
At least they spent the time to serve..no?
Then might as well dun trust anyone..
CheerS!!!😉
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 10:10 AMIsn't this the same if you are a sinkie and become an Australian?
thats y moi notch Ozzy !
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 10:15 AMWhy should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD? Just cos they served?
the trustworthy part for guys who served NS is because they are assigned to key positions requiring clearance. you are literally trusting these ppl with national security.
also simi "contract is over" ?
im not talking about staying in SG vs run road overseas.
im talking about the person's allergenics. last time when i was living in AZ, luke air force base was nearby, many sinkies there (either posted there from RASF, or settled down around the area). u telling me we cannot trust them as sinkies?
at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, where will these FT converts be? still in SG or running back home to India/China/Malaysia? because most sinkies i know who 'quit' overseas eventually return home cause of family. these FTs leh? If i follow the logic of how sinkies will always return back from overseas because family in SG, then same goes for FT in SG mah. they will always go back to their home country cause their family is there.
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Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 30, 2024, 12:16 PMthe trustworthy part for guys who served NS is because they are assigned to key positions requiring clearance. you are literally trusting these ppl with national security.
also simi "contract is over" ?
im not talking about staying in SG vs run road overseas.
im talking about the person's allergenics. last time when i was living in AZ, luke air force base was nearby, many sinkies there (either posted there from RASF, or settled down around the area). u telling me we cannot trust them as sinkies?
at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, where will these FT converts be? still in SG or running back home to India/China/Malaysia? because most sinkies i know who 'quit' overseas eventually return home cause of family. these FTs leh? If i follow the logic of how sinkies will always return back from overseas because family in SG, then same goes for FT in SG mah. they will always go back to their home country cause their family is there.
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Contract is over - means regular.
And some people migrate with their family
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 12:47 PMContract is over - means regular.
And some people migrate with their family
1 moment u say 'many'
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 10:15 AMWhy should those who serve NS be considered more trustworthy when many immigrate after contract is over, or when the ORD or ROD? Just cos they served?
now you say 'some'
please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.
u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification
while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.
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btw if we talking about sinkies who really cut ties with SG. its not many.
QuoteOver the past three years, an average of 1,480 citizens per year renounced their Singapore Citizenship (SC). Of these, 21% were naturalised SCs. The annual renunciation rate of citizens has remained low at under 0.1% of the citizen population.
https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parliamentary/written-reply-to-pq-on-number-of-singaporeans-who-renounced-their-citizenship-over-the-past-three-years/
but again, this is not about giving up SC or PR but trust issues with someone who's never really understood the meaning of life in SG, neither do they have deep roots in SG. their extended family still living elsewhere.
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 10:10 AMIsn't this the same if you are a sinkie and become an Australian?
Singaporean parents born in Singapore. And the Singaporean child born in Singapore.
If the person decided to migrate, It means Singapore is unsuitable to live.
Compare to those foreigners who work here, their parents are not born here. Themselves are not born here.
S-pass, employment pass, LTVP, PRs, new citizens, so many of them come here to make money whether stay for 5 to 20 years.
PRs and new citizens always have plans to buy property at home country to retire there. Everyone know sell SG property at high prices is for their retirement fund going back to home country.
Loyalty to Singapore? Hahaha S$500k more important to bring back to motherland.
Did you think they are the same as real Singaporeans with their parents and grandparents who are here since 1930s?
Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 30, 2024, 12:52 PM1 moment u say 'many'
now you say 'some'
please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.
u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification
while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.
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https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/default-source/ips/cna_more-singaporeans-going-abroad-but-are-no-less-singaporean-for-it_020917-pdf.pdf?sfvrsn=1b799f0b_0
200k over Singaporeans are living and working overseas. Is it many as a percentage of population?
While many have not renounced their citizenship, should the host country trust them since they are still loyal here while working there? Should we still trust them when they are living there but still maintaining ties here?
Of cos, point noted they can be outliers. But when we say foreigners cannot be trusted in Singapore cos they can always run back, are we talking about outliers also? I know during Covid many were screaming they wanna go back but many foreign workers also stayed on with us. Do we have actual numbers to say these are not outliers?
Quote from: nyvrem on Apr 30, 2024, 12:52 PM1 moment u say 'many'
now you say 'some'
please stop. u trying to take outliners to justify your arguments. its not working.
u r literally trying to find that tiny pool of sinkies who have cut off 100% ties with SG then try to use them as your justification
while i'm talking about the 4mil FTs who come into SG, of which 20k+ are given PRs each year + another 20k converted to sinkies each year.
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Wah lau. Some vs many
MANY people immigrate
SOME of them bring their families over
Cos only a subset of people who migrate over do so with their families
Quote from: FireOpal on Apr 30, 2024, 01:16 PMSingaporean parents born in Singapore. And the Singaporean child born in Singapore.
If the person decided to migrate, It means Singapore is unsuitable to live.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/commentary-many-overseas-singaporeans-thinking-returning-what-weighs-their-minds-999426
Actually many Singaporeans (is 58% considered many?) do think of returning eventually. Whether they do so is really dependent on situation but the thought is there Liao
foreigners out
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 06:02 PMhttps://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/docs/default-source/ips/cna_more-singaporeans-going-abroad-but-are-no-less-singaporean-for-it_020917-pdf.pdf?sfvrsn=1b799f0b_0
200k over Singaporeans are living and working overseas. Is it many as a percentage of population?
While many have not renounced their citizenship, should the host country trust them since they are still loyal here while working there? Should we still trust them when they are living there but still maintaining ties here?
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 06:15 PMhttps://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/commentary-many-overseas-singaporeans-thinking-returning-what-weighs-their-minds-999426
Actually many Singaporeans (is 58% considered many?) do think of returning eventually. Whether they do so is really dependent on situation but the thought is there Liao
u really type for the sake of typing sia
i quote u to answer ur own question ba
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Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 06:06 PMWah lau. Some vs many
MANY people immigrate
SOME of them bring their families over
Cos only a subset of people who migrate over do so with their families
now u r just talking about a subset of a subset
that tiny tiny portion of ppl to suit ur argument
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Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 30, 2024, 06:02 PMBut when we say foreigners cannot be trusted in Singapore cos they can always run back, are we talking about outliers also?
nope. not outliners.
in fact, even ICA had to insert a clause in their renunciation form last time to tell Malaysians - "bky close cpf acct and run road go stay in Malaysia by giving up SG PR"
https://www.reddit.com/r/singaporefi/comments/15zqkqa/cpf_withdrawal_restrictions_on_malaysians_removed/
it was that rampart
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