Kaki lang asked for no criminal record but community base. Defense lawyer asked for fine.
If low level cyclists harassing car drivers & r pests, will jitao go squat changi or notch? :s12:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cyclist-katong-road-rage-brain-tumour-bonnet-pleads-guilty-harassing-driver-4271191?cid=internal_app-web-view_androidphone_18042024_cna
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 18, 2024, 03:33 PMKaki lang asked for no criminal record but community base. Defense lawyer asked for fine.
If low level cyclists harassing car drivers & r pests, will jitao go squat changi or notch? :s12:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cyclist-katong-road-rage-brain-tumour-bonnet-pleads-guilty-harassing-driver-4271191?cid=internal_app-web-view_androidphone_18042024_cna
Nope. Not double standard. I mean that's the job of the lawyer right?
Trying to imagine a time when YOU are on the stand for drug trafficking and YOUR LAWYER says my client your honour, my client fully deserves the death penalty.
Or in this case, YOUR LAWYER says your honour, my client was wrong to jump on the bonnet and deserves nothing less than jail
they very lenient on cyclists cos got ang mo, tcj very into france de tour
Quote from: Nevereatrice on Apr 18, 2024, 04:14 PMthey very lenient on cyclists cos got ang mo, tcj very into france de tour
Iswaran too with his Brampton gift.
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 04:09 PMNope. Not double standard. I mean that's the job of the lawyer right?
Trying to imagine a time when YOU are on the stand for drug trafficking and YOUR LAWYER says my client your honour, my client fully deserves the death penalty.
Or in this case, YOUR LAWYER says your honour, my client was wrong to jump on the bonnet and deserves nothing less than jail
Above is road rage by cyclists lawyer Tan, prosecutor ask no criminal record.
Below road rage by lorry, criminal record
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/pasir-ris-road-rage-lorry-driver-jailed-7-weeks-fined-500-082938613.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGX-DsVDFTOLV-Hh_EIUOtsDmpfyfwerx38NI4D-8TPQKbcfTNfrez9n26yuCMK1Eab1kBGc6-1-Hqc9vwTQJjRxVas0oVpzHCX0wIv5q98-0JzPkfddt6gUJuRRHQ-g_DCzBKe-07iadO040dRmlJkjr6y0SN8MwDUkbQfgEuVn
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Quote from: Suntan on Apr 18, 2024, 05:33 PMIswaran too with his Brampton gift.
The road in a mess with the right turn arrow road already cramp up by the cars lining up to turn right
And also the food panda grab cyclists
Plus never ending road works
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 18, 2024, 05:36 PMAbove is road rage by cyclists lawyer Tan, prosecutor ask no criminal record.
Below road rage by lorry, criminal record
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/pasir-ris-road-rage-lorry-driver-jailed-7-weeks-fined-500-082938613.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGX-DsVDFTOLV-Hh_EIUOtsDmpfyfwerx38NI4D-8TPQKbcfTNfrez9n26yuCMK1Eab1kBGc6-1-Hqc9vwTQJjRxVas0oVpzHCX0wIv5q98-0JzPkfddt6gUJuRRHQ-g_DCzBKe-07iadO040dRmlJkjr6y0SN8MwDUkbQfgEuVn
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Sorry I kind of don't get you.
one is someone using a lorry to hit a cyclist and one is using the body to hit a car.
Different situation. I did cheer the lorry driver but someone told me the sentence was justified.
Now, this case is different cos it's using the body to hit the car. The question now is are there any other cases where maybe a poor cyclist or pedestrian hit a car and ended up jailed instead? If so then double standards
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 06:48 PMSorry I kind of don't get you.
one is someone using a lorry to hit a cyclist and one is using the body to hit a car.
Different situation. I did cheer the lorry driver but someone told me the sentence was justified.
Now, this case is different cos it's using the body to hit the car. The question now is are there any other cases where maybe a poor cyclist or pedestrian hit a car and ended up jailed instead? If so then double standards
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 18, 2024, 05:36 PMAbove is road rage by cyclists lawyer Tan, prosecutor ask no criminal record.
Below road rage by lorry, criminal record
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/pasir-ris-road-rage-lorry-driver-jailed-7-weeks-fined-500-082938613.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGX-DsVDFTOLV-Hh_EIUOtsDmpfyfwerx38NI4D-8TPQKbcfTNfrez9n26yuCMK1Eab1kBGc6-1-Hqc9vwTQJjRxVas0oVpzHCX0wIv5q98-0JzPkfddt6gUJuRRHQ-g_DCzBKe-07iadO040dRmlJkjr6y0SN8MwDUkbQfgEuVn
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moi think if gotch hire lawyer will get lesser punishment as laywer can talk for chiu in court. lawyer have training, talk in court know which one can say which one cannot say..
if ownself fight in court may end up make things worse as dun know rule dun know what are the mitigating factors and procedure and irritate judge.
so judge will just give out punishment accordingly. have laywer will usually lesser punishment
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not surprising anymore
such has we degraded over the years
Of cos is double standards.
1st time i hear got brain tumor can cause person to behave like that sia.
Next time any one commit crime can say their testes got tumor make them do one.
If give me judge, both of them go squat inside same cell for 7 7 49 days.
lanjiao lawyer can still use the words "could affect her behaviour"
sipeh satki man, knn go court can tiagong and guess???
Quote from: daryl76 on Apr 18, 2024, 08:29 PMlanjiao lawyer can still use the words "could affect her behaviour"
sipeh satki man, knn go court can tiagong and guess???
Of cos. You think the lawyer stupid ah.... Now it's for the prosecutor to say "could affect behaviour? What percentage you give?" Then of cos cross examine the doctor and then of cos get their own doctor to make judgement. It's just whether it's worth the expense or not.
Why you think trials can last so long?
I ever had to go for something like this before so I think very carefully before a word comes out of my mouth.
Did you do this?
Yes (obviously I can't dispute that)
Why?
Cos I thought xxxx. (Now this is where it gets tricky cos if I said xxxx but I told a friend xxxy and he testifies and is judged credible, I am dead. Or if I said I thought xxxx but a WhatsApp message from me after the act shows otherwise, I am also dead)
Quote from: bsg on Apr 18, 2024, 08:18 PMOf cos is double standards.
1st time i hear got brain tumor can cause person to behave like that sia.
Next time any one commit crime can say their testes got tumor make them do one.
If give me judge, both of them go squat inside same cell for 7 7 49 days.
Actually it's not double standard but always the case. How many times after a rape or murder or something the lawyer will say patient depressed and send to imh for assessment? But to claim tumour in brain as the cause is unusual
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 09:33 PMActually it's not double standard but always the case. How many times after a rape or murder or something the lawyer will say patient depressed and send to imh for assessment? But to claim tumour in brain as the cause is unusual
Imo is double standard treatment cos the defendant is a lawyer. Whether practicing or call to bar i dunch noe thou.
Would at least expect the dpp to challenge the defence lawyer to
Ask the doctor show proof whether any other brain tumor patients got display such behavior anot.
Instead I think they just let it go like that. Or perhaps we dunno what happened cos we don't have access to court transcripts yet.
To call for such defence is really grasping at straws.lucky if she really got tumor, if she no tumor maybe need to say depression stress also.
Next time drug trafficker can use this stupid excuse also lo.
Quote from: bsg on Apr 18, 2024, 09:48 PMImo is double standard treatment cos the defendant is a lawyer. Whether practicing or call to bar i dunch noe thou.
Would at least expect the dpp to challenge the defence lawyer to
Ask the doctor show proof whether any other brain tumor patients got display such behavior anot.
Instead I think they just let it go like that. Or perhaps we dunno what happened cos we don't have access to court transcripts yet.
To call for such defence is really grasping at straws.lucky if she really got tumor, if she no tumor maybe need to say depression stress also.
Next time drug trafficker can use this stupid excuse also lo.
IMO it's not double standard. Double standard is when two people have EXACTLY same circumstances and defence but one is judged differently or prosecutor behave differently.
Maybe the female lawyer has an unfair advantage but that's it.
The one where I believe there is double standard is the Parti Liyani case. That one really a lot of people dropped the ball or practiced double standards
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 09:57 PMIMO it's not double standard. Double standard is when two people have EXACTLY same circumstances and defence but one is judged differently or prosecutor behave differently.
Maybe the female lawyer has an unfair advantage but that's it.
The one where I believe there is double standard is the Parti Liyani case. That one really a lot of people dropped the ball or practiced double standards
So far no other biker do this stunt except this aunty lawyer.
If that happens again, then we got reference case.
Ok maybe not double standard cos no precedent, preferential treatment then.
Is like got future nus peeping to vs normal peeping to. That i think can safely call double standarss I think
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 09:57 PMIMO it's not double standard. Double standard is when two people have EXACTLY same circumstances and defence but one is judged differently or prosecutor behave differently.
Maybe the female lawyer has an unfair advantage but that's it.
The one where I believe there is double standard is the Parti Liyani case. That one really a lot of people dropped the ball or practiced double standards
The maid one ah. That I think is preconceived mindset of the people involved.
Weirdest one is the son story lagi funniest.
The entire thing become like a circus
Quote from: bsg on Apr 18, 2024, 10:03 PMSo far no other biker do this stunt except this aunty lawyer.
If that happens again, then we got reference case.
Ok maybe not double standard cos no precedent, preferential treatment then.
Is like got future nus peeping to vs normal peeping to. That i think can safely call double standarss I think
Ah yes the NUS one. The reasoning is odd. But I was thinking of the maid case cos it's not only odd, it's super odd until I think another judge overturn the conviction
Quote from: Nevereatrice on Apr 18, 2024, 05:52 PMThe road in a mess with the right turn arrow road already cramp up by the cars lining up to turn right
And also the food panda grab cyclists
Plus never ending road works
It got mess up w Mani mani foreigners. Suddenly our peace Kenna broken down :frown:
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 18, 2024, 06:48 PMSorry I kind of don't get you.
one is someone using a lorry to hit a cyclist and one is using the body to hit a car.
Different situation. I did cheer the lorry driver but someone told me the sentence was justified.
Now, this case is different cos it's using the body to hit the car. The question now is are there any other cases where maybe a poor cyclist or pedestrian hit a car and ended up jailed instead? If so then double standards
It's road rage. Both offenders hv intention to cause hurt whether physically or mentally. Imagine the trauma experience by the driver. Will hv phobia someone can harrass & do the same stunt. I will. Fear of cyclists on the road. Got to look at victims situation. If chiur mother is doing it. Wat if she got angry can't control her anger & Kenna jail time? This lady driver was in better control, not everyone lidat. I may turn siao due to tis offensive lawyer suddenly turn sick.
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 19, 2024, 08:17 AMIt's road rage. Both offenders hv intention to cause hurt whether physically or mentally. Imagine the trauma experience by the driver. Will hv phobia someone can harrass & do the same stunt. I will. Fear of cyclists on the road. Got to look at victims situation. If chiur mother is doing it. Wat if she got angry can't control her anger & Kenna jail time? This lady driver was in better control, not everyone lidat. I may turn siao due to tis offensive lawyer suddenly turn sick.
If you got into such a situation, better get a good lawyer. Say wrong thing in court it's bye bye
Quote from: Philipkee on Apr 19, 2024, 08:41 AMIf you got into such a situation, better get a good lawyer. Say wrong thing in court it's bye bye
Just need the prosecutor to do the right, stand by the victim not the one tat provoke. What caused the victims to react like tat. The lorry driver was provoked. If not provoked, won't get angry. Ofc got to be like the lady car driver can keep it cool. Pretty sure she will be scared of aggressive cyclist like the mental lawyer. Hope one day none of us Kenna the aggressive cyclist for road rage
Quote from: jim889 on Apr 18, 2024, 07:11 PMmoi think if gotch hire lawyer will get lesser punishment as laywer can talk for chiu in court. lawyer have training, talk in court know which one can say which one cannot say..
if ownself fight in court may end up make things worse as dun know rule dun know what are the mitigating factors and procedure and irritate judge.
so judge will just give out punishment accordingly. have laywer will usually lesser punishment
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See post #9.
None of us should Kenna an aggressive cyclist. Chiu will want the prosecutor be on your side as the victim. Ofc moi see the cyclist lawyer, supposedly a law upholder turned criminal.
Quote from: Suntan on Apr 19, 2024, 10:18 AMSee post #9.
None of us should Kenna an aggressive cyclist. Chiu will want the prosecutor be on your side as the victim. Ofc moi see the cyclist lawyer, supposedly a law upholder turned criminal.
think this one aggressor becum victim
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Quote from: jim889 on Apr 19, 2024, 10:56 AMthink this one aggressor becum victim
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Yes for herself, getting sympathy votes. But sad to see the prosecutor so lenient on her side. Not with the lady car driver. Anyone one day will be the lady car driver. :frown: