anyone worked across all 3 types of organisations before? what's your comparison?
Work in private, easier to by pass some unnecessary red tapes. Chop chop do very fast. Efficient. If anyone really bad attitude, will get axe by boss.
Govt side very slow, too many processes, in a way it's 'safer', sacrifice efficiency. Oh ya. Govt sector managers has no powers to sack people. Their kpi is retaining people. Some staff tap on this and become lazy and horrible attitude, knowing managers can't sack them. Puts hardworking workers on more strain.
my last few jobs
SME -> start-up -> SME -> MNC -> MNC
all have their own fair share of nonsense
the last 2 MNC both subpar
yeah moi work b4..
cheng hoo jod as temp jod.
sme jod nose good everything bao ka liao
mne jod ish the best
:s12: :s12:
some MNC here behave like SME. seems like the HQ treat the branch here as forgotten child so the management here run the branch like SME.
kena 1 MNC got no boundaries, expect employees to answer calls on personal phone after working hours and work on the requests. with no OT pay and no time off. this is SME style
Quote from: vezelover on Oct 20, 2024, 10:18 PMsome MNC here behave like SME. seems like the HQ treat the branch here as forgotten child so the management here run the branch like SME.
kena 1 MNC got no boundaries, expect employees to answer calls on personal phone after working hours and work on the requests. with no OT pay and no time off. this is SME style
your that MNC the management is it all locals or asian pr ?
i worked in all 3 before... the mnc one shorter stint... and is considered a subsidiary
honestly depends on your definition of MNC. if your singapore office is say, part of a larger group but your group maybe 50 people or less, do u consider it as MNC?
very hard to define i feel
actually i will just say i worked for Allianz before, but one of its subsidiaries
the perks ah? worse than shit. total ultra crap shit
management was bad, small office, lots of politics and infighting. perks is got birthday cake then everyone sing song for u and u eat 1 small slice, smlj?
then also worked for a small china mnc that daobi... and also another mnc before i think
SME, literally no perks or nothing much. if u close to boss then ok. some are less strict like working hours and also depends on the boss, but that is a bit role based also.
perks literally not much.... but if u work for a promising start up then will have more perks
govt wise, u will meet a lot of slack people who hit the grade and wont do more liao and u can have people who are very responsible also
got many is like those LTC u see in camp or those old master warrant officer or whatever....... they already hit that grade liao, wont promote to SWO or higher
they will just slack all the way collecting their high pay
说不完 la
MNC harder to slack like govt. because they can anytime cut you, even say u are 50s or close to 60 or even 40s. u think aiya now i LTC or say 1WO or senior mgr liao wont go up so i continue slack do minimal
ya they will kan u but u still get to collect till u retire, at most wont engage u past 50, 55 or 60
govt u will find many of these.
but i met fair share of those hardworking 50-60 hit the grade wont go up but still responsible
the Allianz subsidiary, dunno 12 or 14 days leave. no birthday off. no AWS, only performance bonus
HR is a lanjiao bitch play politics
performance bonus is also shit usually. AWS they say got, but split to older staff /12
ok that time they got nespresso say until like big fuck.
then birthday i think mth they make every staff gather in the office....... sing the song to those bday in that mth or sth
then u get a small slice of the cake
har? what fuck perk is this?
https://www.glassdoor.sg/Reviews/Allianz-Reviews-E3062.htm
i think they rebranded to totally under Allianz... heard they moved office maybe now perks better
previously it's probably the worst place i worked for in place of politics and "benefits"
Quote from: default on Oct 20, 2024, 10:26 PMMNC harder to slack like govt. because they can anytime cut you, even say u are 50s or close to 60 or even 40s. u think aiya now i LTC or say 1WO or senior mgr liao wont go up so i continue slack do minimal
ya they will kan u but u still get to collect till u retire, at most wont engage u past 50, 55 or 60
govt u will find many of these.
but i met fair share of those hardworking 50-60 hit the grade wont go up but still responsible
i never work garment jod before, but always hear people say very slack. but even as an outsider looking in, i don't think can slack lar, I'm also not looking to slack. like when i went to various garment agencies for stuff, can see they always very busy and alot of things to do, and garment officers also very keen to help and check things for me.
even if some departments slack abit but I think most departments should be very busy and no room to slack.
Quote from: Shiori on Oct 20, 2024, 10:22 PMyour that MNC the management is it all locals or asian pr ?
yes.
Quote from: default on Oct 20, 2024, 10:33 PMthe Allianz subsidiary, dunno 12 or 14 days leave. no birthday off. no AWS, only performance bonus
HR is a lanjiao bitch play politics
performance bonus is also shit usually. AWS they say got, but split to older staff /12
ok that time they got nespresso say until like big fuck.
then birthday i think mth they make every staff gather in the office....... sing the song to those bday in that mth or sth
then u get a small slice of the cake
har? what fuck perk is this?
i worked before in a MNC where the HR is also a lanjiao bitch who played politics. she also damn strange, join the company few months then hop to elsewhere.
so far i dread SME. some are ok but mostly have some issues. generally low celery, low increment, low progression yet high demand. not worth it.
MNC depends. if the HQ treat the branch here as forgotten child, then the branch management will run it like SME. this type not worth it. if HQ send their people to run the branch here, e.g. with GM and upper management from HQ, then will be good in culture, benefits etc.
garment jod i never work before but keen to try. i interviewed with some garment bodies before and my impression is they are more like the top MNCs and not like the SMEs. which is good.
Quote from: vezelover on Oct 20, 2024, 10:36 PMi never work garment jod before, but always hear people say very slack. but even as an outsider looking in, i don't think can slack lar, I'm also not looking to slack. like when i went to various garment agencies for stuff, can see they always very busy and alot of things to do, and garment officers also very keen to help and check things for me.
even if some departments slack abit but I think most departments should be very busy and no room to slack.
depends on agency, role etc
example like govtech or dsta very hard to slack tbh. ministry depends on role
i told u liao, coz got perm contracts so got people who are slack coz they can never go up. then they also tang ping liao
every now and then will take long leave, knock off on time, take all the mc, offs, medical appts
Quote from: vezelover on Oct 20, 2024, 09:39 PManyone worked across all 3 types of organisations before? what's your comparison?
G job no
Sme is worked 5-20 ppl co
One human biz rest of us friends or fren or fren or intern turn coworkers
And 100 -30" human co family biz
G job no do before
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Sme everyth u or boss hv to do
Many thg no budget u get to serve everyone and almost in charge of everything. You learn a lot of stuff but literally 9999 variety of exposure but good at nothing
Med sized family biz got dept
Got some valuable thing to learn fr learned around u .. get to watch 999 politics n recognise who r fairies, evil char and who r bees , who r worms and parasites
Quote from: vezelover on Oct 20, 2024, 10:37 PMyes.
yup. this kind is what i called MNC with localized mgmt.
no different from those SME de.
i kena before too. pretty toxic inside also rly can fight with the cui SME i joined last time.
i think join this kind of MNC is more suay than join a local SME.
Quote from: Shiori on Oct 21, 2024, 06:31 AMyup. this kind is what i called MNC with localized mgmt.
no different from those SME de.
i kena before too. pretty toxic inside also rly can fight with the cui SME i joined last time.
i think join this kind of MNC is more suay than join a local SME.
MNC with SME characteristics
Sme
Pros - if boss/manager like you then life will be good
Cons - cover mountain cover sea
MNC - jobscope more define, sop, salary more transparent, better medical coverage, even pantry is
better
No luck with gov. Went for a few interviews before, buang all
Quote from: default on Oct 20, 2024, 10:34 PMhttps://www.glassdoor.sg/Reviews/Allianz-Reviews-E3062.htm
i think they rebranded to totally under Allianz... heard they moved office maybe now perks better
previously it's probably the worst place i worked for in place of politics and "benefits"
Heng they couldn't buy NTUC Income..
CheerS!!!😉
Quote from: Arctic on Oct 21, 2024, 11:55 AMSme
Pros - if boss/manager like you then life will be good
Cons - cover mountain cover sea
MNC - jobscope more define, sop, salary more transparent, better medical coverage, even pantry is
better
No luck with gov. Went for a few interviews before, buang all
I think all a bit generalized bah.
Doesnt mean sme = bad and mnc = good.
I once went to a startup but they were run by 2 v smart oz angmors.
Perks quite damn good. Think pay also ok on par like 16 minimum. Not good but ok.
Lots of great snacks and other perks. Bday leave, beer fridays, free lunch now and then.
The worst place i worked for is the allianz global assistance... which now rebranded.
Mnc but just one of the smallesy subsidiaries.
Then the tiong mnc i worked for daobi but their perks are better than allianz. Still couldnt get used to it tbh. Sometimes its the culture. What works for u may not work for me
Quote from: default on Oct 21, 2024, 08:22 PMI think all a bit generalized bah.
Doesnt mean sme = bad and mnc = good.
I once went to a startup but they were run by 2 v smart oz angmors.
Perks quite damn good. Think pay also ok on par like 16 minimum. Not good but ok.
Lots of great snacks and other perks. Bday leave, beer fridays, free lunch now and then.
The worst place i worked for is the allianz global assistance... which now rebranded.
Mnc but just one of the smallesy subsidiaries.
Then the tiong mnc i worked for daobi but their perks are better than allianz. Still couldnt get used to it tbh. Sometimes its the culture. What works for u may not work for me
True but let me put it this way
Most smes cmi. Eg out of 10 sme, 7 are crap
Most mncs are good. Eg out of 10 mncs, 7 are good
At least that is what I observed
Moi worked in MNCs and now SME due to many FTs in regional office and
sinkies pwn sinkies.
Tried to applied for garment but didnt get in 10 yrs ago, could not get in. Got SME instead.
Cannot compare w garment job.
I worked 3 type of company before.
1. MNC
2. Gov ST
3. SME Local
MNC - If u are competent and do your job. No one will bother u. Not strict in enforcing.
Gov ST - Everything is procedure, paperwork and rule based. SAF day must wear uniform to office. KNS.
SME - Worst. Run by empress. Very SG kind of mentality. Aircon must off during lunch, strict hours and save here and there. You won't want to work.
** moi time is 20 years ago haha.
Quote from: vezelover on Oct 20, 2024, 09:39 PManyone worked across all 3 types of organisations before? what's your comparison?
Did all 3 before. In fact startup also do before. Basically all kinds of coy structures try before liao. Big ones more red tapes but structured and more stable. Small ones sometimes can pay even better and more flexible but when thing goes wrong then no rules in place to safeguard you.
All in all, no matter where U work, working life to me sucks. My only wish is don't wake up.