We may use the words we want team players. Or people easy to work with. But at the end of the day, we want yes men.
Caveat - the yes men we desire are also competent lah. Not idiots. It's just that more competent ones might be more toxic
Yes sir.
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Quote from: nyvrem on Jun 15, 2024, 08:48 PMYes sir.
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Straight and to the point.
Cos anyway I learn in life as you climb higher, it's more of who you know than what you know that matters. Cos the higher the position, the more important it is that you are easy to work with than competence. I mean cos it's taken for granted that if you can climb up in the first place, there must be some competency already
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 15, 2024, 08:38 PMWe may use the words we want team players. Or people easy to work with. But at the end of the day, we want yes men.
Caveat - the yes men we desire are also competent lah. Not idiots. It's just that more competent ones might be more toxic
if chiu have yes man then everything soon soon lee lee roh
if chiu have no man then life sucks
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Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 15, 2024, 08:51 PMStraight and to the point.
Cos anyway I learn in life as you climb higher, it's more of who you know than what you know that matters. Cos the higher the position, the more important it is that you are easy to work with than competence. I mean cos it's taken for granted that if you can climb up in the first place, there must be some competency already
if chiu wanna keep chiur jod then better be yes man
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 15, 2024, 08:51 PMif chiu wanna keep chiur jod then better be yes man
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Yes sir. :(
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 15, 2024, 08:51 PMif chiu wanna keep chiur jod then better be yes man
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Yes, sir, yes, sir,
Three bags full :frown:
there is no reason why a management will want people below them who can revolt...
Quote from: Shiori on Jun 15, 2024, 09:19 PMthere is no reason why a management will want people below them who can revolt...
employees need to enforce their rights
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Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 15, 2024, 08:38 PMWe may use the words we want team players. Or people easy to work with. But at the end of the day, we want yes men.
Caveat - the yes men we desire are also competent lah. Not idiots. It's just that more competent ones might be more toxic
I agree.
hmmm i dont want yes men under me. but to many others it is sometimes seen as a weakness. i like feedback and comments so as to learn or before making a decision, since u may overlook something or may not be the expertise in that area
i also f-ed my bosses a few times but in a nice way of course to avoid direct conflict
but i got staff questioning me with a bit unreasonable request........ like he cannot come office coz he is flying off at night (never take leave)- then got some appointment in early afternoon like 1.30pm.
but he went office in the morning. this guy got the what depression issues
i try not to be forceful this time round since i was also available but when the times call for it i will use more strong language
many other superiors would just guailan
so to me i may be considered weak lor, but i just dont like to go over the top to exercise powers when it doesnt call for it
so to answer ur question - I dont want yes men
but generally everyone wants Yes men esp the higher u climb
so if u tell me all bad decisions like ERP 2.0, simplygo,
foreigners come in HDB screw up all these, esp hdb and foreigners, LHL got nth to do with it, and then we blame MOT, MND, HDB, MOM........ this is total utter rubbish
LHL sets the direction and more than likely always involved esp regarding big decisions like Covid, foreigners, infrastructure
which means LHL wants yes men
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 15, 2024, 08:51 PMStraight and to the point.
Cos anyway I learn in life as you climb higher, it's more of who you know than what you know that matters. Cos the higher the position, the more important it is that you are easy to work with than competence. I mean cos it's taken for granted that if you can climb up in the first place, there must be some competency already
yes u read that very right
moi think better to have no men..
at least they think and give feedback /suggestions
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 16, 2024, 11:43 AMmoi think better to have no men..
at least they think and give feedback /suggestions
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But they will give feedback in a nice way and if you decide not to heed them, they will still say yes. They will not say things like push this way and I resign or demand a vote
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 16, 2024, 12:40 PMBut they will give feedback in a nice way and if you decide not to heed them, they will still say yes. They will not say things like push this way and I resign or demand a vote
better to have some one who use their brain than someone who just say yes to everything chiu sayed
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 16, 2024, 12:42 PMbetter to have some one who use their brain than someone who just say yes to everything chiu sayed
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But if they use their brain and don't cooperate, :(
If they cooperate, more like yes men liao
Ideally they would have these three qualities
- tell ideas
- cooperate
- be very competent
In reality, they are usually two out of three
Those who tell ideas and cooperate are rarely very competent. Usually the yes men or just those who just want to go home peacefully end of day and collect paycheck end of month
Those who cooperate and are very competent usually won't tell ideas. They keep the ideas to themselves for future use.
Those who are very competent and tell ideas are not likely to cooperate with you if they disagree with you.
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 15, 2024, 08:38 PMWe may use the words we want team players. Or people easy to work with. But at the end of the day, we want yes men.
Caveat - the yes men we desire are also competent lah. Not idiots. It's just that more competent ones might be more toxic
end of e day we want competent ppl who can lead can work and can mk thing happen as a team
Smart n wise is good until this human go n be fox n give us stab though we treat them good
If they agreeably disagree n politely not shadow e boss yea then it s ok . If they keep wanting to play punk then yea the boss will rather have one less trouble maker
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 16, 2024, 01:19 PMBut if they use their brain and don't cooperate, :(
If they cooperate, more like yes men liao
Ideally they would have these three qualities
- tell ideas
- cooperate
- be very competent
In reality, they are usually two out of three
Those who tell ideas and cooperate are rarely very competent. Usually the yes men or just those who just want to go home peacefully end of day and collect paycheck end of month
Those who cooperate and are very competent usually won't tell ideas. They keep the ideas to themselves for future use.
Those who are very competent and tell ideas are not likely to cooperate with you if they disagree with you.
If they r all three . Then the boss won't promote them
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 16, 2024, 01:19 PMBut if they use their brain and don't cooperate, :(
If they cooperate, more like yes men liao
Ideally they would have these three qualities
- tell ideas
- cooperate
- be very competent
In reality, they are usually two out of three
Those who tell ideas and cooperate are rarely very competent. Usually the yes men or just those who just want to go home peacefully end of day and collect paycheck end of month
Those who cooperate and are very competent usually won't tell ideas. They keep the ideas to themselves for future use.
Those who are very competent and tell ideas are not likely to cooperate with you if they disagree with you.
disagree until agree roh
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 16, 2024, 03:27 PMdisagree until agree roh
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Then either succeed or ban. :(
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 16, 2024, 04:25 PMThen either succeed or ban. :(
aiyah.. this one is velly easy ..
solving problem.. many things have many solution.. and have moar than one answer.. the aim is to solve the problem
way 1 or way 2 or way 3, as long as achieve the aim, using which ever way to reach the solution is hokay.
dun need to agree on which method used.. just need to agree on final output
then things will be easier
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however in sg ten yr series only have 1 method of solving and 1 answer.. if dun folow strictly then failed.. so too bad.. need to get rid of this mentality.
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 16, 2024, 04:43 PMaiyah.. this one is velly easy ..
solving problem.. many things have many solution.. and have moar than one answer.. the aim is to solve the problem
way 1 or way 2 or way 3, as long as achieve the aim, using which ever way to reach the solution is hokay.
dun need to agree on which method used.. just need to agree on final output
then things will be easier
:flash:
however in sg ten yr series only have 1 method of solving and 1 answer.. if dun folow strictly then failed.. so too bad.. need to get rid of this mentality.
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Reality is ppl all want power / influence,recognition n credit.. getting job done doesn't give u good returns unless boss realise they need u
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 16, 2024, 05:39 PMReality is ppl all want power / influence,recognition n credit.. getting job done doesn't give u good returns unless boss realise they need u
too bad.. power can do wat.. have marnee have power
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