Seen/heard any bad injuries or even deaths during NS?

[Keeptrucking]

This was 2011. Some cb regular called the guy who died a clown in front of us.

really cb this guy.

[Keeptrucking]

ok, past two decades. that means from 2000 onwards.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/42-national-servicemen-died-while-in-service-over-past-20-years

if include from 60s to 90s confirm three digits. easy.

[Dr.BeGay]

i believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.

i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.

just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.

the log PT many people kena i believe... it was phased out dunno in when? 2000? not sure if NDU all those special forces still got  do or not

[YSL]

i believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.

i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.

just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.

Its only 10-15 years later then I realize only special forces do log pt in foreign armies. And their standard fitness test was our now three station test. Our last time five station was for their special forces. So in fact those who do log pt like us, go through the 5 station ippt and get gold silver could have made the cut for foreign armies special forces. But of course I digress.

For most average joes like me and my army mates, this is too siong and high a tempo for us to take. So it results in injury and death. I lucky, go through it largely unscathed minor injuries here and there only.

Think mindef also know, so tone it down by removing some things like log pt and introducing the current three station ippt. But I don't know if uc, rifle pt, bayonet fighting got change or not. Uc is also another high risk of injury activity.

[Keeptrucking]

Its only 10-15 years later then I realize only special forces do log pt in foreign armies. And their standard fitness test was our now three station test. Our last time five station was for their special forces. So in fact those who do log pt like us, go through the 5 station ippt and get gold silver could have made the cut for foreign armies special forces. But of course I digress.

For most average joes like me and my army mates, this is too siong and high a tempo for us to take. So it results in injury and death. I lucky, go through it largely unscathed minor injuries here and there only.

Think mindef also know, so tone it down by removing some things like log pt and introducing the current three station ippt. But I don't know if uc, rifle pt, bayonet fighting got change or not. Uc is also another high risk of injury activity.

actually, i think our IPPT and log PT are still ok if training is done progressively and not through tekan. of course, can be modified to be easier or removed if those are actually done by special forces in other armies.

the issue to me, is that all of us are conscripts. forced to go through army, shave bald, military discipline and punishments... all these for what should be one of the most vibrant and fun periods of our lives.

and made worse by the low pay and how the general population (esp the women) do not understand and appreciate our sacrifices. when we go onto buses or trains, we are usually treated with disdain cos we stink of sweat and we are mostly broke (low pay). and they don't really know what we go through in army, getting tekaned and all.

end up we get people enlisting half-heartedly and doing things with a switched-off mind. which that results in injuries and even deaths.

also, a lot of these young men also come with their own issues at home, be it family or gf problems. you then tekaned them with sadistic training and punishments and you will get suicides.

i am not surprised if training deaths and suicides from 60s till now can reach four figures.