Seen/heard any bad injuries or even deaths during NS?

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oh ya seems like 2007 is also the dave teo incident, same as the people who die in taiwan

damn suay

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wah didnt know got this incident - https://sg.news.yahoo.com/man-robs-nsf-of-rifle-with-a-screwdriver.html

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Damn sad la all these. Read liao pek cek

That's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.

The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.

We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.

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That's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.

The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.

We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.

the part about discrimination i know and experienced before

the thing is even those who served in non combat positions did serve at least 2 yrs and thereafter ICT. of course those in combat vocations did a lot more, but at the same time we also say shit about the sign on people which is also real for many

those sign on WOSE a lot sometimes is slack esp non-combat. even some combat ones are slack esp those that wont be promoted high and they dont know how to do admin stuff

what's bad is how women and foreigners see local men and they keep giving opportunities to foreigners

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That's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.

The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.

We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.

I agree. However I see it as government's fault.

They sld hv schools, esp girls school hv classes on our NS and national defence and also visit camps to see how we train.

Like a national education programme. In Korea and China, their military personnel get publicly seen privileges like priority queue. Really showing ppl how important they are and how they appreciate them.

Here? It is simply a rite of passage. Bullshit.

You will be shocked to know that most girls do not know the kind of sadistic punishments some of us go through and the injuries we get.

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i think girls should at least go through NS say for 6 mths or 1yr. 1 yr is better

but they all idolise kpop and ang mor only esp new gen

doesnt teach them anything but only to look down on guys more. they got 0 respect for NSmen esp WOSEs

to them only officers are worth anything, so they can go the commissioning D&D esp if it's their bf. otherwise other vocations no diff from dogs

since we lack healthcare workers why cannot make them work there for 1 yr and be paid like army personnel so they know the injuries people go through?

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i think girls should at least go through NS say for 6 mths or 1yr. 1 yr is better

but they all idolise kpop and ang mor only esp new gen

doesnt teach them anything but only to look down on guys more. they got 0 respect for NSmen esp WOSEs

to them only officers are worth anything, so they can go the commissioning D&D esp if it's their bf. otherwise other vocations no diff from dogs

since we lack healthcare workers why cannot make them work there for 1 yr and be paid like army personnel so they know the injuries people go through?

I hv said before.

Make girls do a modified two months bmt which they can book out every night. Just learn weapon firing, handling, section movement, field fortification, self defense and fibua. As well as first aid.

Then after the two months just another two or three months of vocation training. Be it as medic, signaller, storeman or admin. Those who can and want to can even choose certain combat roles like infantry. Of course can also serve in scdf, police, navy or airforce.

Total five months. Treat it like a skills upgrading course. No need to shave bald and no punishments like ours. Just basic army discipline.

Then once a year go back for one week reservist as a refresher.

Solves manpower issues and allows women to know about NS. The duty of national defence feels alot more inclusive.

Imagine if all women know some form of medical skills and can fire a weapon.

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- rover overturned in Taiwan during my time
- platoon mate fractured his finger during bridging
- two artillery guys died in New Zealand in 1997

that guy still walking around with a bent finger now. prob a lot more injuries that happened that I did not know of or remember.

Tonner reversed into my school mate while he was unloading stuff. He died on the spot.

SAF drafted some cock and bull story saying that the tonner jerked upwards and hit him, making it sound like it was my school mate's fault that he brought upon his own demise.

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Tonner reversed into my school mate while he was unloading stuff. He died on the spot.

SAF drafted some cock and bull story saying that the tonner jerked upwards and hit him, making it sound like it was my school mate's fault that he brought upon his own demise.

Wtf when was this?

Reminds me of the recent one when the china born NSF driver died when the tank reversed into his rover.

The initial report said difficult terrain. End up the NSF on the scene shared images that showed that it was a flat ground with no trees.

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i rem few yrs ago also veh tech kena because the car jack didnt hold veh properly

tbh hais, a lot of deaths are unneeded

last time i also shared on EDMW, one of my enciks got charged, because one of the exercises, the rover flipped (i think u all rem that incident)

he's one of the better enciks and more focused on safety. yet he was charged dunno as the safety officer or conducting officer

sometimes the more safe u are the more suay u are also. like we try not to kena some shit then the more we kena the shit

i think the 1WO (he was promoted), was dunno what tze wei or sze wei - cant find the name liao, i rem he was initially charged, not sure after that what........ but they say in the news that he kena redeployed

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/master-sergeant-jailed-for-rash-act-to-endanger-life-over-fatal-jeep-incident

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Actually a lot is kana cover up by mindef. Is only bo bian then they release info. The 40sar incident also no news in newspaper last time when I asked my parents when book out. The bigger cases recently also they bo bian have to release like the  vehicle overturn at Queensland. Its because the local rockhampton media in Queensland release it first. As mentioned Liu Kai the driver which bionix crashed into, 2 guards heat exhaustion case, Aloy Pang.

Got another cdo starlight airborne case also get a slight mention then nothing liao. My taiwan family friend say the coverage of the cdo case is even more in taiwan than in singapore. Then also a while later taiwan also suddenly go radio silence on the case.

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Actually a lot is kana cover up by mindef. Is only bo bian then they release info. The 40sar incident also no news in newspaper last time when I asked my parents when book out. The bigger cases recently also they bo bian have to release like the  vehicle overturn at Queensland. Its because the local rockhampton media in Queensland release it first. As mentioned Liu Kai the driver which bionix crashed into, 2 guards heat exhaustion case, Aloy Pang.

Got another cdo starlight airborne case also get a slight mention then nothing liao. My taiwan family friend say the coverage of the cdo case is even more in taiwan than in singapore. Then also a while later taiwan also suddenly go radio silence on the case.

just imagine, they still dare to cover up in the age of internet and social media era. god knows how much shit was not revealed from 1960s to 1990s when there was no internet and cellphones.

i am not surprised if serious injuries and deaths run into the thousands. Right now, death is less than 50 on record, if i am not wrong.

no way this is an accurate number.

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just imagine, they still dare to cover up in the age of internet and social media era. god knows how much shit was not revealed from 1960s to 1990s when there was no internet and cellphones.

i am not surprised if serious injuries and deaths run into the thousands. Right now, death is less than 50 on record, if i am not wrong.

no way this is an accurate number.

Impossible 50 only. 60s to 90s the training is very siong one. Even me a 94 recruit already bloody siong and see those incidents.

Impossible that our fore-runners in 60s, 70s and 80s have it easier than me. Their demonic type training and lax safety standards sure more deaths and injury one. My opinion is got cover up. Unless mindef come prove to me otherwise, I'm not changing my opinion.

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Wtf when was this?

Reminds me of the recent one when the china born NSF driver died when the tank reversed into his rover.

The initial report said difficult terrain. End up the NSF on the scene shared images that showed that it was a flat ground with no trees.

This was 2011. Some cb regular called the guy who died a clown in front of us.

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Impossible 50 only. 60s to 90s the training is very siong one. Even me a 94 recruit already bloody siong and see those incidents.

Impossible that our fore-runners in 60s, 70s and 80s have it easier than me. Their demonic type training and lax safety standards sure more deaths and injury one. My opinion is got cover up. Unless mindef come prove to me otherwise, I'm not changing my opinion.

i believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.

i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.

just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.