Should discussions be based on facts or feelings or both?

[Philipkee]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

[Philipkee]

I also went with this guy travelling before and he commented I snore loudly.  I told him actually he also snored.

Then we came to a logical conclusion

Actually both of us snore but it's the one who falls asleep second who will be the one complaining of the snoring and since I usually knock out in the hotel room early, that's why he always report I snore.  But on the odd time when he fell asleep first, I report he snore

Logic at its finest.  Everyone snores.  The only issue is who falls asleep first

[jim889]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

this world is rike this rah..
anyway if have evidence will win roh

 

[Philipkee]

this world is rike this rah..
anyway if have evidence will win roh

 

Evidence can be manipulated

[jim889]

Evidence can be manipulated

normally ask for reports , peer review paper etc

of coz if pay ppl write reports they will write the report that you want.

is a balancing act , what weight to put on these reports and facts
 

[default]

i got a friend very similar to ur friend. everything want logics and facts

as in u must have substantiation

say u sell him idea for biz, he wants exact figures and very data driven, hes auditor btw........ pissed me off until no longer friends

his start up also failed anyway

[encourageSome1]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

I agree most decisions made in a democracy is based on general good of most of the society
But !!

If almost all society r wealthy and say lopsided median is 75% percentage while mean is 80%
While the poorest 0-74% r like only enuf to eat 3 meals full but cannot hv enuf to plan for en betterment of own lives

Then we can be almost v sure most of decisions r made by elites for most of the elites or wealthier 75% richer
Because 95% of power is in hands of 5%

And humans r born selfish without God or absolute morality it s all abt
"What I deem best for my pov"

Here the my pov refers to majority represented pov
By a few powerful leaders for the majority

Even ruling p also mk life hell for opp p whenever election time is near mah
There is never fair fight in real world de
Where u born
Yr genetics
And the envt u get who u born to alr sets largely a lot of parameters for one's life alr

So while lot of based on facts
N decision must be mk on fact no feelings
Let us be reminded that history written by victors

Losers r only shit n nobody's

Data like accounting or story or dough can be shaped to be presented to look a certain way
Think grc or jelly molds or sand castles
Ya u get it la

[encourageSome1]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

U pic v cute 🥰

[encourageSome1]

normally ask for reports , peer review paper etc

of coz if pay ppl write reports they will write the report that you want.

is a balancing act , what weight to put on these reports and facts
 

Most accurate critique of myself is yr own enemy actually and when one is alone and solo and silent befor God

[encourageSome1]

I also went with this guy travelling before and he commented I snore loudly.  I told him actually he also snored.

Then we came to a logical conclusion

Actually both of us snore but it's the one who falls asleep second who will be the one complaining of the snoring and since I usually knock out in the hotel room early, that's why he always report I snore.  But on the odd time when he fell asleep first, I report he snore

Logic at its finest.  Everyone snores.  The only issue is who falls asleep first

Ppl who don't zz at first 1-3 nights died fr all the surrounding snoring

[Philipkee]

I agree most decisions made in a democracy is based on general good of most of the society
But !!

If almost all society r wealthy and say lopsided median is 75% percentage while mean is 80%
While the poorest 0-74% r like only enuf to eat 3 meals full but cannot hv enuf to plan for en betterment of own lives

Then we can be almost v sure most of decisions r made by elites for most of the elites or wealthier 75% richer
Because 95% of power is in hands of 5%

And humans r born selfish without God or absolute morality it s all abt
"What I deem best for my pov"

Here the my pov refers to majority represented pov
By a few powerful leaders for the majority

Even ruling p also mk life hell for opp p whenever election time is near mah
There is never fair fight in real world de
Where u born
Yr genetics
And the envt u get who u born to alr sets largely a lot of parameters for one's life alr

So while lot of based on facts
N decision must be mk on fact no feelings
Let us be reminded that history written by victors

Losers r only shit n nobody's

Data like accounting or story or dough can be shaped to be presented to look a certain way
Think grc or jelly molds or sand castles
Ya u get it la

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority

Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner

[encourageSome1]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

Humans r biased de la
Now if I sick n can't live on myself
I don't want life support to artificially keep me alive

But if now same case u give me a baby 👶🏻 I took from dustbin
And suddenly u said he dying after 1 month I Tk care him
Then u ask me want try 101 ways to save him or not I sure say must try la he young got chance mah

So yea
When we come we come emotionally unattached n crying
When we go we left a world w 99 emotions but whether we want other to cry or not depends on how we r with them during this life

[encourageSome1]

Democracy is the tyranny of the majority over the minority

Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner

Wah v sad Heng I m bear

[encourageSome1]

Recently I had a discussion with a friend.  He is very logical and data driven while I am more of the emotional and tiagong side.

So we discussed on this topic.  And I realise it's very hard to get him to see my point of view and vice versa.  Cos he demands facts and data.

Example
If a govt policy negatively affects  20% but positively affects 80%, is it a good policy?

Based on absolute data, it's a good policy. It sucks to be the 20% but that is "feeling" cos based on data and logic, it benefits the majority and that's it.

Cost of living.  If someone kpkb to him about increased cost of living for Singaporeans, he will ask is it only you being affected or many Singaporeans?

if it's only you, it's only one person and the G has to think for the rest

If it's many Singaporeans, he will say name them.  Cos anyone can say many Singaporeans to prove a point, right or wrong.  Give data or prove that many Singaporeans actually face the problem (actual survey and matched with actual salaries).

And many other examples

But I did mention to him that if going purely by logic, it will be a very cold and selfish world and his comment is that it has always been a cold and selfish world.

What do you people think?

Should discussions be made based on logic or emotions?  And of cos by extension should decisions be made based on emotions or logic?

Example.  A very ill baby with no real hope of survival.  Let's say a 1 year old not breathing for 20 minutes Liao.

Logically, call it quits based on data and prognosis

Emotionally, keep trying cos the baby is so young must do the best even if logically you know no more hope.

What will you choose?

In safety ra
We check likelihood n severity
So if sthg v likely (10)
N fatal (10) non fatal , paralysis causing , hurt n pain , skin deep (2)etc
If high on either then must eliminate

So if benefit 80
Harm 20%
Eg dumping of radioactive waste containment water into oceans
To 100% certainty will harm
But if don't dump , earth quake will harm 1000%

They j gov choose the 100% certainty will harm

How fatal : depends on how u defined
If ur face turned glowing after 5-10 yr
Not fatal what

If u died nx yr : year fatal
So neh mind just dump

[Arctic]

Very tough question and I have no answer to that

I encountered something similar before. I realised ppl like to bring in personal opinion as facts. I ever discussed with a biker fren about motorcycles in sg. He said gov is against motorcyclists and want to tekan them. However, I doubt there is proof of that and his accusations are just speculation. It's good to share personal opinions though but shouldn't treat them as absolute truth without basis.