- rover overturned in Taiwan during my time
- platoon mate fractured his finger during bridging
- two artillery guys died in New Zealand in 1997
that guy still walking around with a bent finger now. prob a lot more injuries that happened that I did not know of or remember.
2008 BMT Tekong
2 week before i enlist got 1 recruit walk the track den drop dead. during my enlistment was a big hoo haa
my bmt in tekong was 6 month cos i am a bui bui last time. 1 month before POP heard that n neighbour company got a recruit his brother in 4SIR hanged himself.
my time in armour saw some 1 finger kena roti prata by armour vehiche hatch.
there was a local actor same formation as mine but we differnt arms. i was a armour mech ahd he was from turret , upon his death. my ict suddenly become so safety that we are not allowed to even enter the armour veh.
sibeh epic ns life
Quote from: Bardiel on Apr 10, 2024, 10:46 PM2008 BMT Tekong
2 week before i enlist got 1 recruit walk the track den drop dead. during my enlistment was a big hoo haa
my bmt in tekong was 6 month cos i am a bui bui last time. 1 month before POP heard that n neighbour company got a recruit his brother in 4SIR hanged himself.
my time in armour saw some 1 finger kena roti prata by armour vehiche hatch.
there was a local actor same formation as mine but we differnt arms. i was a armour mech ahd he was from turret , upon his death. my ict suddenly become so safety that we are not allowed to even enter the armour veh.
sibeh epic ns life
Moi rmb we same batch.. i was having recurrent asthma attack from route march and runs.. then the poor guy died.. he was from nyp and i saw him in sch a few times
After that they scared i oso die cos of moi asthma and they dun dare to force me anymore
I eventually ooc and down pes in unit
My time got so many accidents deaths.
But bo handphone internet then.
Tell people also won't believe u.
Same like I was part of the taiwan roc saf kia piah chwee with the local lou mua there.
They got knife parangs.
We take et stick n chanko with helmet. Lau cek bring ar15 with blanks.
Come back sg tell my fren no1 believe me also.
Quote from: bsg on Apr 11, 2024, 12:18 AMMy time got so many accidents deaths.
But bo handphone internet then.
Tell people also won't believe u.
Same like I was part of the taiwan roc saf kia piah chwee with the local lou mua there.
They got knife parangs.
We take et stick n chanko with helmet. Lau cek bring ar15 with blanks.
Come back sg tell my fren no1 believe me also.
wu ya bo, that taiwan incident blow until so big hwz everywhr and last time army people say say say
anyway only got these few incidents lor all publicized
my time i think relatively safe but that guy took the sar to kill the gf and butch was after that i think
heng ah
Quote from: default on Apr 11, 2024, 01:33 AMwu ya bo, that taiwan incident blow until so big hwz everywhr and last time army people say say say
anyway only got these few incidents lor all publicized
my time i think relatively safe but that guy took the sar to kill the gf and butch was after that i think
heng ah
like i said riaos - tell people also wont believes one. cos that time no camera no hp no internet, want to gpgt gvgt also cannots - all same reaction rike u - got shadow bo?
come back to sg tell only a few people - people listen and spread at most during smoking or break time. cos they weren't there to see it. dunno how they can blow until become legend.
we were super low profile back then cos dont want kana charged.
I hv heard of my friend's brother died during NS on one chance encounter on the street in our 30s. I didn't know wat to say so didn't ask much. The family had since migrated to OZ.
So if family now has 1 kid, I don't even think the only child should be out in the field or be in NS.
All tiagong only. I have not seen any major cases personally despite being a medic
Most serious case is a trainee at safti fainted during parade and a few of his teeth are broken
Quote from: peaceheart on Apr 11, 2024, 09:41 AMAll tiagong only. I have not seen any major cases personally despite being a medic
Most serious case is a trainee at safti fainted during parade and a few of his teeth are broken
Mine are real either I experienced it indirectly or it appeared on newspaper.
When did you serve? Maybe you served non-combat role.
Quote from: bsg on Apr 11, 2024, 12:18 AMMy time got so many accidents deaths.
But bo handphone internet then.
Tell people also won't believe u.
Same like I was part of the taiwan roc saf kia piah chwee with the local lou mua there.
They got knife parangs.
We take et stick n chanko with helmet. Lau cek bring ar15 with blanks.
Come back sg tell my fren no1 believe me also.
Lol this story I heard many times. Don't know how true?
Was it because of one guy kena cheated of money and got beaten up?
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 11, 2024, 09:58 AMLol this story I heard many times. Don't know how true?
Was it because of one guy kena cheated of money and got beaten up?
Background was go to the club as a group, then xian the local girls, then 1 fellow nsf horny rubba 1 of the girl Then had seksi time.
Subsequent time again went but
Then turn out the local girl is some 1 else gf, who happened to be the lo mua there, founded out not happy catch this guy single out and thn hantum him jialat jialat ask for settlement money for upping the girl. The section came back try to gather money to pay the lo mua n settled.
But then perm staff found out go report to the tw mp kia. Tw mp kia bring the section n 1 sargent go back there find them to settle peacefully without money instead of make mp involved.
Who knew that the local pai kia no give face to tw mp kia end up hantum the whole section n the mp kia.
Come back camp all blue black, knn kana discovered by lao cek. Lao cek sibeh dulanz call perm staff n 1 platoon nskia together go down bring weapon demand the pai kia release the nsf.
Become settlement talk like that. End up paikia call water bring weapon, lucky roc people brought changko et sticks helmet. Lao cek bring his ar 15.
Some 1 call polis come that's when the fighting started. Knn polis come break up the fighting, demand paikia release the nsf, cos don't want make big hooha until polis case then become cannot settle peacefully. Apparently the polis somehow managed to talk to their gang chief ask them to stand down
Go back camp the whole event kana hush hush. No write report etc.
Dunno how the story become shopping cheat money etc thou
my time in 07~08 ish, tekong BMT, moi in Bronco coy. the coy next to me the Sgt went for a run, came back and dropped dead on the spot.
Quote from: bsg on Apr 11, 2024, 01:29 PMBackground was go to the club as a group, then xian the local girls, then 1 fellow nsf horny rubba 1 of the girl Then had seksi time.
Subsequent time again went but
Then turn out the local girl is some 1 else gf, who happened to be the lo mua there, founded out not happy catch this guy single out and thn hantum him jialat jialat ask for settlement money for upping the girl. The section came back try to gather money to pay the lo mua n settled.
But then perm staff found out go report to the tw mp kia. Tw mp kia bring the section n 1 sargent go back there find them to settle peacefully without money instead of make mp involved.
Who knew that the local pai kia no give face to tw mp kia end up hantum the whole section n the mp kia.
Come back camp all blue black, knn kana discovered by lao cek. Lao cek sibeh dulanz call perm staff n 1 platoon nskia together go down bring weapon demand the pai kia release the nsf.
Become settlement talk like that. End up paikia call water bring weapon, lucky roc people brought changko et sticks helmet. Lao cek bring his ar 15.
Some 1 call polis come that's when the fighting started. Knn polis come break up the fighting, demand paikia release the nsf, cos don't want make big hooha until polis case then become cannot settle peacefully. Apparently the polis somehow managed to talk to their gang chief ask them to stand down
Go back camp the whole event kana hush hush. No write report etc.
Dunno how the story become shopping cheat money etc thou
power. so no fight? the story i heard was that we brought people and et sticks down, then set fire to the villge or something.
lol
That aloysius lo. Can't cover up bec he is a public figure lol
Quote from: Bardiel on Apr 10, 2024, 10:46 PM2008 BMT Tekong
2 week before i enlist got 1 recruit walk the track den drop dead. during my enlistment was a big hoo haa
my bmt in tekong was 6 month cos i am a bui bui last time. 1 month before POP heard that n neighbour company got a recruit his brother in 4SIR hanged himself.
my time in armour saw some 1 finger kena roti prata by armour vehiche hatch.
there was a local actor same formation as mine but we differnt arms. i was a armour mech ahd he was from turret , upon his death. my ict suddenly become so safety that we are not allowed to even enter the armour veh.
sibeh epic ns life
wah, is it aloysious?
not my time in the late 90s but i heard that in the early 90s (I think), someone was buried alive. Died by the time he was found. Mother of that dead NSF went to my unit looking for the CO every morning for a month crying and wanting her son back.
sad story. also reported in the press.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 11, 2024, 02:03 PMpower. so no fight? the story i heard was that we brought people and et sticks down, then set fire to the villge or something.
lol
Got fight start abit but den polis already on the spot who dare continue fight.
Our weapons for show of deterrence nia.
Knn who dare use, 1 blow with et stick skull crack siah.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 11, 2024, 02:03 PMpower. so no fight? the story i heard was that we brought people and et sticks down, then set fire to the villge or something.
lol
Knn this version likely to be the arty boys anyhow pom one.
Bring 1 platoon yes
Fight just fist n legs nia.
Burn village.... Knn even we trample their vegetables already kana gaolat gaolat liao u think we dare burn meh.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 11, 2024, 02:07 PMwah, is it aloysious?
not my time in the late 90s but i heard that in the early 90s (I think), someone was buried alive. Died by the time he was found. Mother of that dead NSF went to my unit looking for the CO every morning for a month crying and wanting her son back.
sad story. also reported in the press.
ya. don wan mention his name ba. was a nice chap.
quite sad gg when serving the nation =/
Quote from: mGx-Alander on Apr 10, 2024, 11:29 PMMoi rmb we same batch.. i was having recurrent asthma attack from route march and runs.. then the poor guy died.. he was from nyp and i saw him in sch a few times
After that they scared i oso die cos of moi asthma and they dun dare to force me anymore
I eventually ooc and down pes in unit
if i not wrong me and u enlist around the same time as that time we still got pcw at that forum.
time flies sibeh fast =/ now MR since 2021 and army already don wan me liao :flash:
Quote from: Bardiel on Apr 11, 2024, 04:02 PMya. don wan mention his name ba. was a nice chap.
quite sad gg when serving the nation =/
ya, dying during NS is one of the worst ways to go. in the prime of your life and dying for something quite meaningless. at least if KIA during a war still understandable.
i always have a lot of sympathy for those who got badly injured or killed during NS.
hope he RIP.
Quote from: Bardiel on Apr 11, 2024, 04:05 PMif i not wrong me and u enlist around the same time as that time we still got pcw at that forum.
time flies sibeh fast =/ now MR since 2021 and army already don wan me liao :flash:
chiu mr so early, i only mr in 2022
Quote from: mGx-Alander on Apr 13, 2024, 03:58 AMchiu mr so early, i only mr in 2022
moi heng.
moi clear 6 HK nia. 1 of those years are incentive year so total add up become 7HK 2 LW. den MR liao
Quote from: bsg on Apr 11, 2024, 02:08 PMGot fight start abit but den polis already on the spot who dare continue fight.
Our weapons for show of deterrence nia.
Knn who dare use, 1 blow with et stick skull crack siah.
Bro u talk until very sart but u one of those in front or hide at the back or tiagong from others?
Very big difference lol
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 13, 2024, 06:15 PMBro u talk until very sart but u one of those in front or hide at the back or tiagong from others?
Very big difference lol
Siao ah. This type of thing saf got teach. Mai be hero never volunteer if kana force make sure always stand last man.
I ish of cos stand behind the lastest one.
Siao ah. Do wrong nsf extend duration. Lao cek won't even kana anything if charge. We only go there cos need bodys to hung people.
If u ask me volunteer I rather sleep in bunk.
Nabeh the guy get to fuck the local girl, I get nothing in return. For what be hero.
Somemore I not even their platoon, I ish perm staff attachment companyunder lao cek..
Quote from: bsg on Apr 13, 2024, 06:44 PMSiao ah. This type of thing saf got teach. Mai be hero never volunteer if kana force make sure always stand last man.
I ish of cos stand behind the lastest one.
Siao ah. Do wrong nsf extend duration. Lao cek won't even kana anything if charge. We only go there cos need bodys to hung people.
If u ask me volunteer I rather sleep in bunk.
Nabeh the guy get to fuck the local girl, I get nothing in return. For what be hero.
Somemore I not even their platoon, I ish perm staff attachment companyunder lao cek..
Lol. OK fair enough cos you not from the platoon but at least you went along to make up the numbers.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 13, 2024, 06:52 PMLol. OK fair enough cos you not from the platoon but at least you went along to make up the numbers.
That y come back to sg riao we all kpkb to others about this lao cek ask us to go incident.
Supposedly is Knn damn dulan thing one with lao cek getting us involved with unnecessary trouble, but dunno somehow later kana pom by arty become big heroic event like that.
I kid u not. I think back now still damn dulan. Cos after that event, we cannot go there chiong, knn we perm staff 1 year there night out cannot even go near that place. U know how chum and dulan anot
41 sar tank overturn during skill at arms, tank commander killed. Driver injured badly.
40 sar soldier killed, tiagong by car when he kena arrowed for road marshalling. Military funeral, I attended.
Spare gunner open m113 driver hatch, complacent, did not notice the catch did not catch. The hatch spring the hatch back onto his head. Happen right in front of me cause I was trying to rush to grab the hatch before it kena his head but I was too slow. When I got there 2 secs later to open the hatch and look down, he was already bleeding from the head. The big drops of blood flowing down his hair I today still remember clearly. Immediately send to medical center. He survived. Recovered.
Kneecap worn out, bone grind on bone, surgery to remove bone splinters from knee. Pc runner. Downgrade.
Another kneecap case, same, cartilage worn out, no surgery. 84 gunner. Downgrade.
Achilles tendon tear. SAW gunner. Downgrade.
Heat exhaustion, twice. M113 driver. Downgrade.
Leg fracture during chiong sua. SAW gunner. Downgrade.
Grabbed a very very thony plant accidentally during lancer resulting in hand full of splinters. M203 gunner. Recovered.
Pulled a sciatic nerve, resulting in walking oddly, excuse here and there. LAW gunner. Recovered.
Hip injury during ippt, shuttle run, resulting in cannot lift right leg. Pc runner. Recovered.
There were a couple more, can't remember the reason, a law gunner and the 84 loader, both downgrade. Think was see dr outside found some issues they didn't say much and we didn't ask too much.
Damn sad la all these. Read liao pek cek
I used to know one guy from scs/cs the IT company he walks with a limp because he say he was from MP unit or what then the log they carried smashed down on his foot. Poor chap lost 3 toes i think
Desktop engineer kena assigned to army camp.
Got a few other stories also. That time got once plane crash in taiwan hit dunno supply area or what in camp, tiagong the logistics or dunno what guy from sg died. Also published in news.
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2007/05/12/2003360493
oh ya seems like 2007 is also the dave teo incident, same as the people who die in taiwan
damn suay
wah didnt know got this incident - https://sg.news.yahoo.com/man-robs-nsf-of-rifle-with-a-screwdriver.html
Quote from: default on Apr 14, 2024, 12:06 AMDamn sad la all these. Read liao pek cek
That's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.
The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.
We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.
Quote from: YSL on Apr 14, 2024, 07:15 AMThat's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.
The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.
We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.
the part about discrimination i know and experienced before
the thing is even those who served in non combat positions did serve at least 2 yrs and thereafter ICT. of course those in combat vocations did a lot more, but at the same time we also say shit about the sign on people which is also real for many
those sign on WOSE a lot sometimes is slack esp non-combat. even some combat ones are slack esp those that wont be promoted high and they dont know how to do admin stuff
what's bad is how women and foreigners see local men and they keep giving opportunities to foreigners
Quote from: YSL on Apr 14, 2024, 07:15 AMThat's why I hate it when our own SG society don't treat our nsf and nsmen with respect. This leads on to the foreigners in SG not respecting them too and belittling their contributions. On top of that, you get nsmen with relaxing vocations, flexing that they go back reservist is like go for paid holiday. Disgusting.
The chiong sua people put our lives and safety on the line so that you can relax in the back line. Provide a deterrent to hostile parties so that the SG society can sleep well at night. Provide stability to the companies so they can hire their darling foreigners.
We don't need you to thank us. What we want is equal opportunity and not be discriminate against in our own country. If that cannot be provided for us, then maybe the next saf100 we all don't respond to. How many provost mp you have to come arrest us? You think we will go with you without resistance? Imagine one coy of chiong sua troops decide that enough is enough. All decide to not respond for recall manning at the same time. See how the commanders, govt and the SG society balls shrink.
I agree. However I see it as government's fault.
They sld hv schools, esp girls school hv classes on our NS and national defence and also visit camps to see how we train.
Like a national education programme. In Korea and China, their military personnel get publicly seen privileges like priority queue. Really showing ppl how important they are and how they appreciate them.
Here? It is simply a rite of passage. Bullshit.
You will be shocked to know that most girls do not know the kind of sadistic punishments some of us go through and the injuries we get.
i think girls should at least go through NS say for 6 mths or 1yr. 1 yr is better
but they all idolise kpop and ang mor only esp new gen
doesnt teach them anything but only to look down on guys more. they got 0 respect for NSmen esp WOSEs
to them only officers are worth anything, so they can go the commissioning D&D esp if it's their bf. otherwise other vocations no diff from dogs
since we lack healthcare workers why cannot make them work there for 1 yr and be paid like army personnel so they know the injuries people go through?
Quote from: default on Apr 14, 2024, 12:36 PMi think girls should at least go through NS say for 6 mths or 1yr. 1 yr is better
but they all idolise kpop and ang mor only esp new gen
doesnt teach them anything but only to look down on guys more. they got 0 respect for NSmen esp WOSEs
to them only officers are worth anything, so they can go the commissioning D&D esp if it's their bf. otherwise other vocations no diff from dogs
since we lack healthcare workers why cannot make them work there for 1 yr and be paid like army personnel so they know the injuries people go through?
I hv said before.
Make girls do a modified two months bmt which they can book out every night. Just learn weapon firing, handling, section movement, field fortification, self defense and fibua. As well as first aid.
Then after the two months just another two or three months of vocation training. Be it as medic, signaller, storeman or admin. Those who can and want to can even choose certain combat roles like infantry. Of course can also serve in scdf, police, navy or airforce.
Total five months. Treat it like a skills upgrading course. No need to shave bald and no punishments like ours. Just basic army discipline.
Then once a year go back for one week reservist as a refresher.
Solves manpower issues and allows women to know about NS. The duty of national defence feels alot more inclusive.
Imagine if all women know some form of medical skills and can fire a weapon.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 10, 2024, 10:21 PM- rover overturned in Taiwan during my time
- platoon mate fractured his finger during bridging
- two artillery guys died in New Zealand in 1997
that guy still walking around with a bent finger now. prob a lot more injuries that happened that I did not know of or remember.
Tonner reversed into my school mate while he was unloading stuff. He died on the spot.
SAF drafted some cock and bull story saying that the tonner jerked upwards and hit him, making it sound like it was my school mate's fault that he brought upon his own demise.
Quote from: ABCDFinanceGuy on Apr 14, 2024, 01:34 PMTonner reversed into my school mate while he was unloading stuff. He died on the spot.
SAF drafted some cock and bull story saying that the tonner jerked upwards and hit him, making it sound like it was my school mate's fault that he brought upon his own demise.
Wtf when was this?
Reminds me of the recent one when the china born NSF driver died when the tank reversed into his rover.
The initial report said difficult terrain. End up the NSF on the scene shared images that showed that it was a flat ground with no trees.
i rem few yrs ago also veh tech kena because the car jack didnt hold veh properly
tbh hais, a lot of deaths are unneeded
last time i also shared on EDMW, one of my enciks got charged, because one of the exercises, the rover flipped (i think u all rem that incident)
he's one of the better enciks and more focused on safety. yet he was charged dunno as the safety officer or conducting officer
sometimes the more safe u are the more suay u are also. like we try not to kena some shit then the more we kena the shit
i think the 1WO (he was promoted), was dunno what tze wei or sze wei - cant find the name liao, i rem he was initially charged, not sure after that what........ but they say in the news that he kena redeployed
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/master-sergeant-jailed-for-rash-act-to-endanger-life-over-fatal-jeep-incident
Actually a lot is kana cover up by mindef. Is only bo bian then they release info. The 40sar incident also no news in newspaper last time when I asked my parents when book out. The bigger cases recently also they bo bian have to release like the vehicle overturn at Queensland. Its because the local rockhampton media in Queensland release it first. As mentioned Liu Kai the driver which bionix crashed into, 2 guards heat exhaustion case, Aloy Pang.
Got another cdo starlight airborne case also get a slight mention then nothing liao. My taiwan family friend say the coverage of the cdo case is even more in taiwan than in singapore. Then also a while later taiwan also suddenly go radio silence on the case.
Quote from: YSL on Apr 15, 2024, 05:56 AMActually a lot is kana cover up by mindef. Is only bo bian then they release info. The 40sar incident also no news in newspaper last time when I asked my parents when book out. The bigger cases recently also they bo bian have to release like the vehicle overturn at Queensland. Its because the local rockhampton media in Queensland release it first. As mentioned Liu Kai the driver which bionix crashed into, 2 guards heat exhaustion case, Aloy Pang.
Got another cdo starlight airborne case also get a slight mention then nothing liao. My taiwan family friend say the coverage of the cdo case is even more in taiwan than in singapore. Then also a while later taiwan also suddenly go radio silence on the case.
just imagine, they still dare to cover up in the age of internet and social media era. god knows how much shit was not revealed from 1960s to 1990s when there was no internet and cellphones.
i am not surprised if serious injuries and deaths run into the thousands. Right now, death is less than 50 on record, if i am not wrong.
no way this is an accurate number.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 15, 2024, 03:21 PMjust imagine, they still dare to cover up in the age of internet and social media era. god knows how much shit was not revealed from 1960s to 1990s when there was no internet and cellphones.
i am not surprised if serious injuries and deaths run into the thousands. Right now, death is less than 50 on record, if i am not wrong.
no way this is an accurate number.
Impossible 50 only. 60s to 90s the training is very siong one. Even me a 94 recruit already bloody siong and see those incidents.
Impossible that our fore-runners in 60s, 70s and 80s have it easier than me. Their demonic type training and lax safety standards sure more deaths and injury one. My opinion is got cover up. Unless mindef come prove to me otherwise, I'm not changing my opinion.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 14, 2024, 01:46 PMWtf when was this?
Reminds me of the recent one when the china born NSF driver died when the tank reversed into his rover.
The initial report said difficult terrain. End up the NSF on the scene shared images that showed that it was a flat ground with no trees.
This was 2011. Some cb regular called the guy who died a clown in front of us.
Quote from: YSL on Apr 15, 2024, 08:05 PMImpossible 50 only. 60s to 90s the training is very siong one. Even me a 94 recruit already bloody siong and see those incidents.
Impossible that our fore-runners in 60s, 70s and 80s have it easier than me. Their demonic type training and lax safety standards sure more deaths and injury one. My opinion is got cover up. Unless mindef come prove to me otherwise, I'm not changing my opinion.
i believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.
i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.
just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.
Quote from: ABCDFinanceGuy on Apr 15, 2024, 10:24 PMThis was 2011. Some cb regular called the guy who died a clown in front of us.
really cb this guy.
ok, past two decades. that means from 2000 onwards.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/42-national-servicemen-died-while-in-service-over-past-20-years
if include from 60s to 90s confirm three digits. easy.
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 15, 2024, 10:31 PMi believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.
i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.
just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.
the log PT many people kena i believe... it was phased out dunno in when? 2000? not sure if NDU all those special forces still got do or not
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 15, 2024, 10:31 PMi believe you. the less than 50 number was from I believe, Teo Chee Hean when he was asked about it in parliament. I think can do a google and this is what it shows too.
i was a 97 recruit. and even though internet was just about starting and they were phasing out certain punishments and even started a complain hotline (I think), training was still siong. we still did log PT.
just imagine how those from 60s to early 90s suffered without the above.
Its only 10-15 years later then I realize only special forces do log pt in foreign armies. And their standard fitness test was our now three station test. Our last time five station was for their special forces. So in fact those who do log pt like us, go through the 5 station ippt and get gold silver could have made the cut for foreign armies special forces. But of course I digress.
For most average joes like me and my army mates, this is too siong and high a tempo for us to take. So it results in injury and death. I lucky, go through it largely unscathed minor injuries here and there only.
Think mindef also know, so tone it down by removing some things like log pt and introducing the current three station ippt. But I don't know if uc, rifle pt, bayonet fighting got change or not. Uc is also another high risk of injury activity.
Quote from: YSL on Apr 16, 2024, 05:50 AMIts only 10-15 years later then I realize only special forces do log pt in foreign armies. And their standard fitness test was our now three station test. Our last time five station was for their special forces. So in fact those who do log pt like us, go through the 5 station ippt and get gold silver could have made the cut for foreign armies special forces. But of course I digress.
For most average joes like me and my army mates, this is too siong and high a tempo for us to take. So it results in injury and death. I lucky, go through it largely unscathed minor injuries here and there only.
Think mindef also know, so tone it down by removing some things like log pt and introducing the current three station ippt. But I don't know if uc, rifle pt, bayonet fighting got change or not. Uc is also another high risk of injury activity.
actually, i think our IPPT and log PT are still ok if training is done progressively and not through tekan. of course, can be modified to be easier or removed if those are actually done by special forces in other armies.
the issue to me, is that all of us are conscripts. forced to go through army, shave bald, military discipline and punishments... all these for what should be one of the most vibrant and fun periods of our lives.
and made worse by the low pay and how the general population (esp the women) do not understand and appreciate our sacrifices. when we go onto buses or trains, we are usually treated with disdain cos we stink of sweat and we are mostly broke (low pay). and they don't really know what we go through in army, getting tekaned and all.
end up we get people enlisting half-heartedly and doing things with a switched-off mind. which that results in injuries and even deaths.
also, a lot of these young men also come with their own issues at home, be it family or gf problems. you then tekaned them with sadistic training and punishments and you will get suicides.
i am not surprised if training deaths and suicides from 60s till now can reach four figures.