While we bled sweat and tears??
I know of one who even lied to me that he was a storeman in army.
Ended up he married a singaporean and now staying here.
I know of at least another one like that.
What is the criteria for them to serve you guys know?
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 07, 2024, 07:15 PMWhile we bled sweat and tears??
I know of one who even lied to me that he was a storeman in army.
Ended up he married a singaporean and now staying here.
I know of at least another one like that.
What is the criteria for them to serve you guys know?
2nd generation then need to serve
:frown:
Yes.
That's why NS is too long, should cut to 10 months.
just do away with ns rah
wan to beef up defence.. they have to pay for regulars
:frown:
I think NS is quite fun.
Prepared and Taught me how to siam arrows in adult working life as a whole.
Also how to manage expectations in real life situations. As in u tryed but cannot change the environment so u change to adapt to the environment instead.
Personally will not support abolishing ns
NS was the best time of my entire life.
I dare say cos I pass half century mark liao
Need to pay well instead.
actually im 50-50 on this one.
tbh u cannot expect older foreigners to go through NS and this becomes an issue for population growth because we cannot grow organically (have own kids)
even the younger ones, say under 30, or 25. if u tell them u have to go through NS then they will knnbccb rather fuck off or use SG as a stepping board and continue to do shit in SG whenever they can . we need to strike a balance to retain them or at least some
if u tax them once off, may not be sufficient and it eats at them
I feel, we should introduce something like NS tax or some sort of thing to make them contribute to national building esp for JHKs now the exchange rate is totally lopsided to their favour
I am totally for introduction of say anything from 3-5% from their pay or whatever, so as to give back to national reserves or the locals. even a 1-2% will add a lot to our coffers. and use it to help the poor and needy or whatever NS men
but govt dont want to or hesitant to. I just feel this can be implemented in such times and reduce or increased as the time goes by and looking at economy
we are getting lots of capital outflows and monies remitted abroad. what do we get in return? locals doing grab and those rubbish jobs
but i feel, locals should be given priority and more help and incentives for those been through NS
some things i agree with the govt, i would say im more realistic and look at each policy rather than just scream at the govt for everything
i dont think we should discriminate against these people even if they didnt serve, as long as they are able to contribute in other ways but we must find ways to make them contribute more and not game the system
u want to attract people esp talents, but not at the expense of displacing locals - this part i think govt is not doing good or enough
however u see those that keep having kids is of a certain....... dynamics and social strata (to be more politcally correct), while most of the more capable or those stuck in the middle ones cant get married or dont wish to have babies
hence the govt tops up from philippines, china or msia etc........ it's to keep the racial balance
hard truths that HWZ will lock ban or issue points
u dont have to be working for govt or super high IQ to know this, but sometimes people keep barking on certain issues.
i also feel the incentives for getting married and having kids are like shit. because the govt is now in a fuck-it stance. since u all most likely wont have kids even if i give u 10-20k blah blah
i might as well bring in people who feel Singapore is an upgrade to their existing lifestyles like pinoys, ats and esp jhk jhb and of course our fav from cecaland since our local indians arent rly having many kids also, esp those educated ones
and these people just game and game and game the system and milk it dry like f
lots of loopholes that govt doesnt want to close. and even give priorities to msians for housing, PRs etc
fuck PAP
Quote from: default on Apr 07, 2024, 08:53 PMactually im 50-50 on this one.
tbh u cannot expect older foreigners to go through NS and this becomes an issue for population growth because we cannot grow organically (have own kids)
even the younger ones, say under 30, or 25. if u tell them u have to go through NS then they will knnbccb rather fuck off or use SG as a stepping board and continue to do shit in SG whenever they can . we need to strike a balance to retain them or at least some
if u tax them once off, may not be sufficient and it eats at them
I feel, we should introduce something like NS tax or some sort of thing to make them contribute to national building esp for JHKs now the exchange rate is totally lopsided to their favour
I am totally for introduction of say anything from 3-5% from their pay or whatever, so as to give back to national reserves or the locals
but govt dont want to or hesitant to. I just feel this can be implemented in such times and reduce or increased as the time goes by and looking at economy
we are getting lots of capital outflows and monies remitted abroad. what do we get in return? locals doing grab and those rubbish jobs
but i feel, locals should be given priority and more help and incentives for those been through NS
some things i agree with the govt, i would say im more realistic and look at each policy rather than just scream at the govt for everything
i dont think we should discriminate against these people even if they didnt serve, as long as they are able to contribute in other ways but we must find ways to make them contribute more and not game the system
u want to attract people esp talents, but not at the expense of displacing locals - this part i think govt is not doing good or enough
however u see those that keep having kids is of a certain....... dynamics and social strata (to be more politcally correct), while most of the more capable or those stuck in the middle ones cant get married or dont wish to have babies
hence the govt tops up from philippines, china or msia etc........ it's to keep the racial balance
hard truths that HWZ will lock ban or issue points
u dont have to be working for govt or super high IQ to know this, but sometimes people keep barking on certain issues.
i also feel the incentives for getting married and having kids are like shit. because the govt is now in a fuck-it stance. since u all most likely wont have kids even if i give u 10-20k blah blah
i might as well bring in people who feel Singapore is an upgrade to their existing lifestyles like pinoys, ats and esp jhk jhb
and these people just game and game and game the system and milk it dry like f
lots of loopholes that govt doesnt want to close. and even give priorities to msians for housing, PRs etc
fuck PAP
the gov would rather fuck sg citizens with more taxes then taxing their beloved foreigners whenever possible.
blame the system and the cb who insisted the system is good enough as it is now
bo bian. 70% too daft.
Definitely..
My last 2 reservist after Covid, I heck care liao..
CheerS!!!😉
Gov allow FTs to exploit sg
PR buy hdb but dun convert become citizen
Also my ft colic say she know many foreign students break bond illegally but still allowed to come back to sg to shop and play
Quote from: bsg on Apr 07, 2024, 08:36 PMI think NS is quite fun.
Prepared and Taught me how to siam arrows in adult working life as a whole.
Also how to manage expectations in real life situations. As in u tryed but cannot change the environment so u change to adapt to the environment instead.
Personally will not support abolishing ns
NS was the best time of my entire life.
I dare say cos I pass half century mark liao
some ppl rike .. some ppl dun rike
if wan ns can volunteer.. no need to force ppl do cheap labour
heypi chiu enjoy it. but it's not for everyone
:frown:
Quote from: jim889 on Apr 07, 2024, 07:24 PM2nd generation then need to serve
:frown:
https://imgur.com/djHDpcM
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 07, 2024, 07:15 PMWhile we bled sweat and tears??
I know of one who even lied to me that he was a storeman in army.
Ended up he married a singaporean and now staying here.
I know of at least another one like that.
What is the criteria for them to serve you guys know?
(https://i.imgur.com/AsK4W5Q.jpg)
yes, thats y i dont bother talking to them or make friends with them.
its not about NS.
can you imagine this type of ppl who would forsake their own country to become sinkie PR/sinkies.
if they can betray their own country, what makes u think they wont betray their new country
this type of ppl better just siam far far
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
i place the blame squarely on pap.
if a system has loopholes, and i suspect deliberately by pap, it will defo encourage people to abuse it.
also, pap could have put a lot more resources into making the lives of singaporeans a lot better. look at the how scandianvian countries do it. all the benefits and welfare families with babies can get.
instead, pap chose to tighten the noose on us. making life here a rat race with the constant need to fight off 'foreign talents', unfair labour laws that advantage employers and unstable work climate.
all these made people not wanting to have babies. how to when the living environment is so stressed and stifling?
imagine your buddy during ns ish abnn from yeendia??
Quote from: Keeptrucking on Apr 07, 2024, 07:15 PMWhile we bled sweat and tears??
I know of one who even lied to me that he was a storeman in army.
Ended up he married a singaporean and now staying here.
I know of at least another one like that.
What is the criteria for them to serve you guys know?
But Bukit chandu also said those days sg wasn't a country but ppl defended their homeland as a kampung together ...
My Tk is .. sure they nv endured sweat n tears and 2 yr time spent but if they brave ups n downs when one day sg is in border conflict then should be bearable .. but anywh we r not gg to be at war with anyone anywhere ...
Wondering how else they can show allegiance.. maybe bear higher tax by x % ?
Quote from: sTiCkY on Apr 08, 2024, 06:31 PMimagine your buddy during ns ish abnn from yeendia??
If I go army , they good decent human I don't mind .. jus hv to ensure they don join nx door when war comes lei
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Apr 08, 2024, 06:35 PMIf I go army , they good decent human I don't mind .. jus hv to ensure they don join nx door when war comes lei
imagine the smell when u sleep in the same tent with the guy...
Quote from: sTiCkY on Apr 08, 2024, 06:39 PMimagine the smell when u sleep in the same tent with the guy...
I try to dream of me visiting India lo