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Title: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 01:22 AM
https://youtu.be/KJTpP7qwN7M?si=pO9CFKphoDNGRDdD

Asked Chatgpt why did ussr allied Germany

The USSR allied with Germany in 1939 through the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (also called the Nazi-Soviet Pact) for strategic and security reasons. Here's why:

1. Stalin Wanted Time to Rebuild the Soviet Military
   •   The Soviet Union had just gone through the Great Purge (1936–1938), where Stalin executed or imprisoned many top military leaders.
   •   Stalin knew that a war with Germany was inevitable, but he needed more time to strengthen the Red Army.
   •   By signing the pact, the USSR delayed a German invasion and gained about two years to prepare for war.

2. Germany and USSR Secretly Agreed to Divide Eastern Europe
   •   The pact included a secret protocol where Hitler and Stalin agreed to split Eastern Europe:
   •   Germany got Western Poland
   •   USSR got Eastern Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania (Bessarabia)
   •   This allowed Stalin to expand Soviet territory without fighting a war.

3. The West Refused to Cooperate with Stalin Against Hitler
   •   Before signing the pact, Stalin tried to form an alliance with Britain and France against Nazi Germany.
   •   However, Britain and France were slow to negotiate and even allowed Hitler to expand (e.g., Munich Agreement of 1938, which let Hitler take Czechoslovakia).
   •   Stalin did not trust the Western democracies, so he decided to cut a deal with Hitler instead.

4. Germany Wanted to Avoid a Two-Front War
   •   Hitler's main goal was to attack Western Europe first (France and Britain).
   •   By signing the pact, he avoided fighting both the USSR and the West at the same time.
   •   Once Germany conquered France (1940), Hitler turned on the USSR in 1941 (Operation Barbarossa).

Did the Alliance Last?

No. The Nazi-Soviet Pact lasted only 22 months. In June 1941, Hitler betrayed Stalin and invaded the USSR (Operation Barbarossa), breaking the pact and turning the Soviet Union into an enemy of Nazi Germany.



Turns out:
Ussr approached uk and France (the west) to Ally them to deal with Germany but they refused.
So it ally with Germany to buy time for themselves.

Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: BuiBuiForeverAlone on Mar 20, 2025, 12:13 PM
Hitler greedy want to have ussr as well. Else france would probably still be speaking german right now. :flash:
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 12:56 PM
Quote from: Nevereatri∁e on Mar 20, 2025, 12:13 PMHitler greedy want to have ussr as well. Else france would probably still be speaking german right now. :flash:

Think he miscalculated ussr and overestimated his strength after defeating France with blitzkrieg he thought he will achieve swift victory too and after conquering ussr his military strength will increase. He must have thought ussr went through a bit purge so this is an opportunity to war with ussr
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 03:54 PM

hitler power la.. but too bad he becum another ang moh xiang yu
 :frown:
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 04:23 PM
Quote from: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 03:54 PMhitler power la.. but too bad he becum another ang moh xiang yu
 :frown:

The video say 3m nazi soldier invasion. Wow cao cao at his peak also only 1m
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 04:58 PM
US was only supplying initially & not involved in combat war in Europe
Till Churchill seek help from US Roosevelt when France was taken down in a few weeks. After bombing of Pearl Harbour by Kamikaze, US went to free France till Philippines....Etc.
Russia was part of Axis with Germany till Germany sent Italian mussolini to fight Russia.
So we are not speaking Japanese all thanks to USA.
Do watch whole series documentary of 75th anniversary of WWII.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 05:29 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 04:58 PMUS was only supplying initially & not involved in combat war in Europe
Till Churchill seek help from US Roosevelt when France was taken down in a few weeks. After bombing of Pearl Harbour by Kamikaze, US went to free France till Philippines....Etc.
Russia was part of Axis with Germany till Germany sent Italian mussolini to fight Russia.
So we are not speaking Japanese all thanks to USA.
Do watch whole series documentary of 75th anniversary of WWII.

Sleeping giant awaken. It already was number 1 in airforce and navy that time with the addition of atomic bomb no one can match the prowess
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 05:55 PM
Quote from: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 05:29 PMSleeping giant awaken. It already was number 1 in airforce and navy that time with the addition of atomic bomb no one can match the prowess
Actually atomic bomb blue print was from UK. But UK didn't hv the ability to prototype & test the power. So it was sent to US Nevada test site to make.

US was really industrialised in car, Ford assembly (GM) & all women got activated to start doing assembly of ammunition instead of metal parts....Etc. luckily US was a manufacturing powerhouse.

Go to Enola Gay hangar for B-52 that changed our lives & CCP forever... 
Japanese Banzai!

Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 06:02 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 05:55 PMActually atomic bomb blue print was from UK. But UK didn't hv the ability to prototype & test the power. So it was sent to US Nevada test site to make.

US was really industrialised in car, Ford assembly (GM) & all women got activated to start doing assembly of ammunition instead of metal parts....Etc. luckily US was a manufacturing powerhouse.

Go to Enola Gay hangar for B-52 that changed our lives & CCP forever... 
Japanese Banzai!



Yes, several scientists who fled Nazi Germany and other Axis-controlled regions played a key role in the U.S. Manhattan Project, which developed the atomic bomb.

One of the most notable was Albert Einstein, though he did not work directly on the bomb. In 1939, he co-signed a letter (written by physicist Leó Szilárd) to President Franklin D. Roosevelt, warning that Germany might develop nuclear weapons. This letter led to the creation of the Manhattan Project.

Another key figure was Edward Teller, a Hungarian physicist who later helped develop the hydrogen bomb.

The most instrumental scientist was Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist who escaped Mussolini's fascist regime. Fermi was crucial in building the first nuclear reactor (Chicago Pile-1), proving that a sustained nuclear chain reaction was possible.

Additionally, Klaus Fuchs, a German-born physicist who fled the Nazis, worked on the Manhattan Project but later turned out to be a Soviet spy, leaking nuclear secrets to the USSR.

Many of these scientists were part of the "brain drain" of Jewish and anti-fascist intellectuals fleeing Europe, and their expertise helped the U.S. develop the atomic bomb before Germany.
Nazi Germany attempted to build the atomic bomb but failed
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 06:40 PM
Quote from: Magical Fingertip on Mar 20, 2025, 04:23 PMThe video say 3m nazi soldier invasion. Wow cao cao at his peak also only 1m

last taim population not so many ppl mah..

 :flash:
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: BuiBuiForeverAlone on Mar 20, 2025, 07:24 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 05:55 PMActually atomic bomb blue print was from UK. But UK didn't hv the ability to prototype & test the power. So it was sent to US Nevada test site to make.

US was really industrialised in car, Ford assembly (GM) & all women got activated to start doing assembly of ammunition instead of metal parts....Etc. luckily US was a manufacturing powerhouse.

Go to Enola Gay hangar for B-52 that changed our lives & CCP forever... 
Japanese Banzai!



Japs were more afraid of Soviet Russia than the atomic bomb.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 07:27 PM
Quote from: Nevereatri∁e on Mar 20, 2025, 07:24 PMJaps were more afraid of Soviet Russia than the atomic bomb.

usa sked russia take over japan rah
 :s7:
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 07:28 PM
If now we have to choose USA or China, it to akin choosing between Democratic or Communist. Nvr mind both can be bullies, at least US due to their historical north south civil war, it's better than Tiananmen that historically CCP will kill own people to stay in power.
Now WWIII may be between democratic countries & communistic ones, choose economic support/products correctly.  Our survival depends on knowing which country is not interested in taking over territory.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 07:35 PM
Quote from: Nevereatri∁e on Mar 20, 2025, 07:24 PMJaps were more afraid of Soviet Russia than the atomic bomb.

Didnt know Japs have any fear of any country. They were fearless & so confident till can go bomb US. They were prepared for many years to conquer Asia while Germany take Europe. Now we can see Russia towards Europe, China on SCS likely starting with Taiwan.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 07:38 PM
Quote from: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 07:27 PMusa sked russia take over japan rah
 :s7:

But Japan now no longer Imperialist. Only need them to be like Germany pay compensation to victim families & say sorry killing so many good people, destroying families & put in their history book to remind their young cannot let history repeat itself.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 07:47 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 07:38 PMBut Japan now no longer Imperialist. Only need them to be like Germany pay compensation to victim families & say sorry killing so many good people, destroying families & put in their history book to remind their young cannot let history repeat itself.

they wont payed one rah
 :frown:
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 08:46 PM
Quote from: jim889 on Mar 20, 2025, 07:47 PMthey wont payed one rah
 :frown:

Then we should nvr forgive the politicians.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 08:49 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 08:46 PMIt means they don't feel they did wrong. Then we should nvr forget nor forgive the atrocities. 

Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: BuiBuiForeverAlone on Mar 20, 2025, 09:31 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 07:35 PMDidnt know Japs have any fear of any country. They were fearless & so confident till can go bomb US. They were prepared for many years to conquer Asia while Germany take Europe. Now we can see Russia towards Europe, China on SCS likely starting with Taiwan.

Those Japanese warlords and the Japanese emperor were greedy, just like Hitler, and wanted to rule over Asia. The Philippines was colonised by the USA, so they had to attack Pearl Harbour to buy time for themselves while taking over Southeast Asia.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 10:49 PM
Quote from: Nevereatri∁e on Mar 20, 2025, 09:31 PMThose Japanese warlords and the Japanese emperor were greedy, just like Hitler, and wanted to rule over Asia. The Philippines was colonised by the USA, so they had to attack Pearl Harbour to buy time for themselves while taking over Southeast Asia.

Now we have greedy communist leaders like Putin, Xi & BB Kim. WWIII.
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: Suntan on Mar 21, 2025, 05:50 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/20/keir-starmer-warns-vladimir-putin-of-severe-consequences-if-he-breaches-peace-deal-ukraine

Think if Russia is not agreeable to peace, WWIII wil start in Europe

Be prepared for China going after Taiwan & then SCS.
@Nemesis Alien
This wan more critical than your buaya at Lim Chu Kang
Title: Re: I watched this ww2 video and was surprised ussr allied with Germany then i asked
Post by: BuiBuiForeverAlone on Mar 21, 2025, 07:55 PM
Quote from: Suntan on Mar 20, 2025, 10:49 PMNow we have greedy communist leaders like Putin, Xi & BB Kim. WWIII.

Sadly some humans don't learn from history. Think the 2026 war prophecy mentioned by some Chinese fortune tellers back in cny 2020 during the covid19 onset will likely happen.
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