"Tang ping" (躺平) is a Chinese term that describes a lifestyle of rejecting societal pressures to work too hard. It's also known as the "lying flat" movement.
What it means
A rejection of the 996 working hour system
A simple lifestyle without striving for material success
A form of social protest against inequality
How it started
The term originated from a post on the Chinese internet forum Baidu Tieba in April 2021
The post described the poster's lifestyle of not working full-time and not intending to get married or buy an apartment
The post included comments like "Lying flat is my wise movement"
Why it's controversial
The term has been criticized by state-owned media because it opposes effort-making, which is valued in Confucian culture
However, it can also be seen as a form of resistance to social and organizational inequality
Similar trends
In South Korea, some young people have given up on dating, marriage, and having children
In Japan, some young people have lost interest in materialism and embraced minimalism
解释 摆烂，破罐子破摔的意思。 是指当事情已经无法向好的方向发展，于是就干脆不再采取措施加以控制，而是任由其往坏的方向继续发展下去，与破罐子破摔词义相近。
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1、意思不同：躺平指接受已有的现实，是一种顺从的心态，摆烂是因为当前已经预见到了未来坏的结果，而不去做改变;2、语境不同：躺平是中性词，摆烂通常指的是贬义的;3、结果不同：躺平是当前的条件已经足够好了，对其也没有更高的要求了，摆烂是因为可预见的是糟糕的结果而放弃，结果注定不好。
Lie flat hard need thick savings then can.
Bai lan my office got a lot
Quote from: 炎杀黑龙波 on Feb 22, 2025, 12:33 AMLie flat hard need thick savings then can.
Bai lan my office got a lot
Actually tang ping same what. My side also a lot
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 01:17 AMActually tang ping same what. My side also a lot
Work part time only means char siew leeching on parents?
Sg nowadays don't work full time the money not enough one, can't even buy own house, or give parent allowance.
Lie flat not much from my side de ppl, mostly bai lan group because they got family, children etc to feed
Quote from: 炎杀黑龙波 on Feb 22, 2025, 08:52 AMWork part time only means char siew leeching on parents?
Sg nowadays don't work full time the money not enough one, can't even buy own house, or give parent allowance.
Lie flat not much from my side de ppl, mostly bai lan group because they got family, children etc to feed
Its shit world now. U look at toto can liao. Last time if u win 1m rly is can do anything now u maybe cannot even afford hdb at boon keng
Now win toto not as life changing as compared to 20 years ago. Win toto need to win minimum 2.4 mio (snowball from 1 mio)
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 10:16 AMIts shit world now. U look at toto can liao. Last time if u win 1m rly is can do anything now u maybe cannot even afford hdb at boon keng
Yea want retire min need 2M, and this is provided don't buy 1M hdb and invest the 2M for passive income, else also not enough
Our parents time 600k toto can buy u a condo and a hdb probably. 3 room cost 150k to 160k in my area up until around 2008
I think 400 to 500k can get condo.
If u win 1m u can buy 1 additional pretty ok car for under 100k. Means u can still tour the world, come back and rent one of the hse out just tang ping and be very song if u rly want to waste ur life doing nth.
Should just present these facts to the fucking govt. Honestly im damn buay song damn. U all just lool as this from factual pov. Dont talk abt what gambling is bad, live within ur means kind of shit and derail the topic. This is what pap always does.
All these are fucking facts that pap fail to address. Quality of life is 100% getting worse
Fast forward 15 yrs u see how much 1m or 600k can get u. Pap govt rly fucked up and not addressing real concerns. These are real shit happening right now
Whats so fucking depressing is even if win 1m cant get u out of the rat race compared to my cousins or bsgs era 15 yrs ago only.
How long must u take to earn 1m not even counting in gst income tax and cpf etc
Quote from: 炎杀黑龙波 on Feb 22, 2025, 11:50 AMYea want retire min need 2M, and this is provided don't buy 1M hdb and invest the 2M for passive income, else also not enough
Dont need so much la hello. U want to bring 2m go ur grave or give back pap if u no kids or family?
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:04 PMWhats so fucking depressing is even if win 1m cant get u out of the rat race compared to my cousins or bsgs era 15 yrs ago only.
How long must u take to earn 1m not even counting in gst income tax and cpf etc
The inflation for past decade is indeed scary
Inflation is definite so I won't really compare stuff that happened eons ago. Our grandparents and parents era 20c can buy a bowl of noodles, now is $4 or more. Same for other stuff
However, gov always say inflation and price increase is in tandem with salary increase wtf! Last time fresh grads getting $2.7 and hdb 4room is <$400k. Now leh? Simi tandem?!?
When COL is under their control, they dun want to control. When things are beyond their control, they blame it on global issue
We are fucked
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:16 PMDont need so much la hello. U want to bring 2m go ur grave or give back pap if u no kids or family?
I calculated before.
Last time toto first price $600k is enough for bbfa. Just get a 2room hdb for <$200k then invest the rest and work some brain dead job
Now also same just that toto first price is now $1mil and hdb 2room price also up but idea is the same
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 12:17 PMThe inflation for past decade is indeed scary
Inflation is definite so I won't really compare stuff that happened eons ago. Our grandparents and parents era 20c can buy a bowl of noodles, now is $4 or more. Same for other stuff
However, gov always say inflation and price increase is in tandem with salary increase wtf! Last time fresh grads getting $2.7 and hdb 4room is <$400k. Now leh? Simi tandem?!?
When COL is under their control, they dun want to control. When things are beyond their control, they blame it on global issue
We are fucked
Its not just inflation but pap fucking profiteering to jack the hdb price up and not controlling it + importing foreigners.
Simply blaming on inflation is easy way out for them like saying global trend blah blah.
Our lives is rly worse than our parents in terms of real wages. Altho my parents were born ard war time 1942 1943 so talk abt luxury indeed we enjoyed more but they can actually retire and we cant.
What abt nxt gen?
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 12:19 PMI calculated before.
Last time toto first price $600k is enough for bbfa. Just get a 2room hdb for <$200k then invest the rest and work some brain dead job
Now also same just that toto first price is now $1mil and hdb 2room price also up but idea is the same
Last time my area flat is best indication liao tbh. Built 1973 first hand owners paid $9500. That time how much wages? Ok say 300 or 400. Even so its wayyyyyyyy affordable than now with single income
Now is 2 room for bbfa and far from civilization while im like near right smack of sg right above mrt.
U must compare apples to apples.
Now same place 47 yr lease left still selling ard 350k
As reposted. My area w 47 yrs lease left is 350 to 360k
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:25 PMLast time my area flat is best indication liao tbh. Built 1973 first hand owners paid $9500. That time how much wages? Ok say 300 or 400. Even so its wayyyyyyyy affordable than now with single income
Now is 2 room for bbfa and far from civilization while im like near right smack of sg right above mrt.
U must compare apples to apples.
For my previous post, I'm responding to the "need $2mil" to retire statement, not comparing with 1973 or whatever
Good to use the past as reference but can't go back liao. Keep comparing to grandparents era, ww2 and 1973, there is no end to it and frankly speaking, prices will definitely increase. Crux is if it's increasing at a fair pace. Currently col and price increase is way outpacing income and that's the problem. The increase is exponential and not gradual
Honestly i rly feel so damn super angry at pap i considered leavinh my job and rly run as oppo.
This type of cheebye costs how people live? They purposefully jacked up hdb prices to keep us running on the wheel
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:40 PMAs reposted. My area w 47 yrs lease left is 350 to 360k
This hdb lease decay issue is a Pandora box and ticking time bomb
Everyone is just playing along and trying their luck cos no hdb has reached 99yrs yet. So can't just use old method to gauge prices anymore
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 12:40 PMFor my previous post, I'm responding to the "need $2mil" to retire statement, not comparing with 1973 or whatever
Good to use the past as reference but can't go back liao. Keep comparing to grandparents era, ww2 and 1973, there is no end to it and frankly speaking, prices will definitely increase. Crux is if it's increasing at a fair pace. Currently col and price increase is way outpacing income and that's the problem. The increase is exponential and not gradual
I totally agree. Im not saying to keep at 9500 or what.
Im saying 3 room 300k ish is fair. Not this 700k 800k MINIMALLY at central sg
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:42 PMHonestly i rly feel so damn super angry at pap i considered leavinh my job and rly run as oppo.
This type of cheebye costs how people live? They purposefully jacked up hdb prices to keep us running on the wheel
Modern slaves are not chained but are tied down by mortgage
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 12:42 PMThis hdb lease decay issue is a Pandora box and ticking time bomb
Everyone is just playing along and trying their luck cos no hdb has reached 99yrs yet. So can't just use old method to gauge prices anymore
If we cannot afford to retire unless we save like crazy and invest rightly as crazy, u think nxt gen will have better life?
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:43 PMI totally agree. Im not saying to keep at 9500 or what.
Im saying 3 room 300k ish is fair. Not this 700k 800k MINIMALLY at central sg
Yah I rmb last time hdb prices easy to rmb
3rm = $300k range
4rm = $400k range etc
Now is 4rm also can sell $1mil. Haywire liao, anything goes
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:44 PMIf we cannot afford to retire unless we save like crazy and invest rightly as crazy, u think nxt gen will have better life?
Who cares? I'm not gov, I'm bbfa, I dun care about my nephew, niece and relatives as in how their future is going to be
Heck, I dun even other to recycle
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 12:46 PMWho cares? I'm not gov, I'm bbfa, I dun care about my nephew, niece and relatives as in how their future is going to be
Heck, I dun even other to recycle
Thats why. If want to be single must focus on that.
And also must be evil
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:54 PMThats why. If want to be single must focus on that.
And also must be evil
I'm single and evil
Somehow still not rich or able to retire....sigh
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 12:25 PMLast time my area flat is best indication liao tbh. Built 1973 first hand owners paid $9500. That time how much wages? Ok say 300 or 400. Even so its wayyyyyyyy affordable than now with single income
Now is 2 room for bbfa and far from civilization while im like near right smack of sg right above mrt.
U must compare apples to apples.
Now same place 47 yr lease left still selling ard 350k
and u know what my lj cousins say? those ard 10-20 yrs older than me ard bsg age or slightly older
last time flat is 9500 but salary only 100+ - this is talking shit la, probably closer to 400 or sth. then they say last time no CPF (checked figures. even if we say only 300, it's still way more affordable than now)
all these are correct no doubt
but means a flat is 25 x 400
our salary say less educated and work for 10 yrs say total = 4k
4k x 25 = what? that's 100k. factor into inflation PAP's scum's lj and cb shit
300k is 3 x of that
and 300k cannot even get the same flat here with less than half of the lease. if compare apples to apples the current new/newer flats at my area are 800k upwards. 800k is those lok kok shit below level 5 and left with around 70 years lease since the last new flats near blk 65 where the homemummy lives is around that price
u go think whether i talk shit from my mouth or PAP is fucking our lives?
now the new 3 ROOM BTO at my area/boon keng CHEAPEST is 500k or 480k around there at bendemeer/boon keng
u tell me what chee bye shit PAP is talking other than profiteering and killing locals through their policies, on purpose?
Based on this calculation, we are paying 5x of what our parents used to pay...... factoring into inflation and real wage growth
the PAP is fucking up our lives on purpose and giving it to foreigners
i wonder where has all the money gone, those from my parents and grandparents gen?
and that is BTO. not resales.
Resales is 700k onwards for low storeys and 800k onwards for higher storeys for a fucking 3 room flat
https://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/hdb-for-sale-8-boon-keng-road-25361091
no need to say i talking shit
fuck PAP
https://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/hdb-for-sale-9-boon-keng-road-25431111
listed for 1.39m, say negotiable
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 01:59 PMand u know what my lj cousins say? those ard 10-20 yrs older than me ard bsg age or slightly older
last time flat is 9500 but salary only 100+ - this is talking shit la, probably closer to 400 or sth. then they say last time no CPF (checked figures. even if we say only 300, it's still way more affordable than now)
all these are correct no doubt
but means a flat is 25 x 400
our salary say less educated and work for 10 yrs say total = 4k
4k x 25 = what? that's 100k. factor into inflation PAP's scum's lj and cb shit
300k is 3 x of that
and 300k cannot even get the same flat here with less than half of the lease. if compare apples to apples the current new/newer flats at my area are 800k upwards. 800k is those lok kok shit below level 5 and left with around 70 years lease since the last new flats near blk 65 where the homemummy lives is around that price
u go think whether i talk shit from my mouth or PAP is fucking our lives?
10 to 20 yr difference is a different era liao.....
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 22, 2025, 04:24 PM10 to 20 yr difference is a different era liao.....
multiply by so many times, considered ok?
Quote from: default on Feb 22, 2025, 04:27 PMmultiply by so many times, considered ok?
They talk cock lah
20 yrs ago already very difficult to find $2 chicken rice whatmore now. So many things already change from then til now
which is which ah?
1、意思不同：躺平指接受已有的现实，是一种顺从的心态，摆烂是因为当前已经预见到了未来坏的结果，而不去做改变;2、语境不同：躺平是中性词，摆烂通常指的是贬义的;3、结果不同：躺平是当前的条件已经足够好了，对其也没有更高的要求了，摆烂是因为可预见的是糟糕的结果而放弃，结果注定不好。
India the most hardworking no such thing in their country
Once reach certain age, phase of life will auto tang ping or bai lan.
Who the hell will strive to improve with deteriorating body and mind? When was the last time any of our MP took a skillsfuture course?
No such thing as infinite growth
Quote from: Arctic on Feb 23, 2025, 09:17 AMOnce reach certain age, phase of life will auto tang ping or bai lan.
Who the hell will strive to improve with deteriorating body and mind? When was the last time any of our MP took a skillsfuture course?
No such thing as infinite growth
Got. It's just u haven't encounter.
Learning new dishes, learning new language. I see people in 60s doing that.
I attended planting course in learning hub also see a lot of students in 60s.
One even look like in late 70s.
Quote from: 老曾记 on Feb 23, 2025, 09:35 AMGot. It's just u haven't encounter.
Learning new dishes, learning new language. I see people in 60s doing that.
I attended planting course in learning hub also see a lot of students in 60s.
One even look like in late 70s.
How many % of population actually do that? And these are trivial life improvement. By reading newspaper or news online you are actually enriching and improving your life and knowledge too
My definition of improvement is where one took professional course to advance their career or learn a skill good enough to earn a living
Else normally once a person is married with family, the normal routine is work-home and repeat.