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Title: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Nemesis Alien on Dec 14, 2024, 12:47 PM
https://x.com/MothershipSG/status/1867791722916589772
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Suntan on Dec 14, 2024, 01:49 PM
Dun even want to protect citizens data from being stolen. With nric number, scammers can.just call bank.
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: default on Dec 14, 2024, 02:03 PM
ya it's a recent initiative lor. they also nv go tell everyone until now which is wrong
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: no guessing game on Dec 14, 2024, 02:13 PM
That's why SG is 一国二制
Govt agencies are exempted from pdpa all along whilst private coy have to follow pdpa.
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 02:31 PM
Next time 18gen ancestor family tree also publish sua

Come, let's share who is related to who at glc etc

Salary also make known pls
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Philipkee on Dec 14, 2024, 04:33 PM
I think they made a mistake but they would rather say there was a policy change than say they made a mistake
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: default on Dec 14, 2024, 04:51 PM
Quote from: Philipkee on Dec 14, 2024, 04:33 PMI think they made a mistake but they would rather say there was a policy change than say they made a mistake

it's a policy change
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: jim889 on Dec 14, 2024, 05:02 PM
Quote from: Philipkee on Dec 14, 2024, 04:33 PMI think they made a mistake but they would rather say there was a policy change than say they made a mistake

Quote from: default on Dec 14, 2024, 04:51 PMit's a policy change

cheng hoo is always right.. 
 :flash:
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: no guessing game on Dec 14, 2024, 05:24 PM
Personal Data Protection Commission updating guidelines on use of NRIC numbers

SINGAPORE – Singapore's data privacy watchdog is updating guidelines on how National Registration Identity Card (NRIC) numbers can be collected, used and shared.

This follows a Dec 14 statement that the Government intends to move away from the practice of masking NRIC numbers.

Checks on the Personal Data Protection Commission's (PDPC) website show that the guidelines are no longer available.

A notice on the website says: "The document is temporarily unavailable as it is undergoing updates."

ST has contacted the Infocomm Media Development Authority, which the PDPC is part of, for more details.

In its 2018 guidelines, the commission had advised people not to provide their full NRIC numbers to companies, unless doing so was legally required or needed to prove one's identity.

NRIC numbers "can potentially be used to unlock large amounts of information relating to the individual", it noted.

It advised them instead to provide other personal data, such as handphone numbers or partial NRIC numbers (for instance, by rendering S0123456A as ****456A), for verification.

On Dec 9, the Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority (Acra) launched its new Bizfile web portal, which allowed people to view others' full NRIC numbers using a search function for free, without having to log in. This function was temporarily disabled on Dec 13 following public backlash.

But in its Dec 14 statement, the Ministry of Digital Development and Information (MDDI) said people can make a good guess at someone's full NRIC number from the masked number using basic algorithms, "especially if one also knows the year of birth of the person".

As such, the ministry said "there is no need to mask the NRIC number, nor is there much value in doing so".

It said the Government had intended to change the existing practice of masking NRIC numbers "only after explaining the issue and preparing the ground".

Acra's move on its Bizfile portal had "run ahead of the government's intent", said MDDI. It apologised for not co-ordinating better between agencies, and causing public anxiety.

As a public agency, Acra is exempt from provisions under the Personal Data Protection Act (PDPA) – the set of laws that govern the collection, use and disclosure of personal data by organisations.

Singapore Management University Associate Professor of Law Eugene Tan said the government's Dec 14 stance is consistent with the PDPA, but "at odds with the public understanding and comfort level" on the use of NRIC numbers.

"The official shift in practice towards revealing full NRIC numbers cannot simply ignore this lived reality," said Prof Tan.

"Singaporeans have been socialised into being sensitive to having their full NRIC number made public, and have accepted and internalised this."

A public education campaign could "re-socialise people's and organisation's approach towards the non-masking of NRIC numbers", he suggested.

Only when non-masking NRIC numbers is "widely practised and accepted" should public agencies proceed with using full NRIC numbers where necessary, said Prof Tan.

MDDI has said it will conduct public education efforts with the PDPC in 2025.

These will address how NRIC numbers "should be used freely as a personal identifier in the same way we use our names, as well as the correct steps we ought to take to protect ourselves, which involve proper use of authentication and passwords", said the ministry.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/personal-data-protection-commission-updating-guidelines-on-use-of-nric-numbers
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 05:28 PM
Nric no value hahahha
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 05:30 PM
Might as well openly sell weapons and drugs but onus is on ppl to know the proper use of them. What a joke
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Philipkee on Dec 14, 2024, 08:51 PM
Quote from: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 05:30 PMMight as well openly sell weapons and drugs but onus is on ppl to know the proper use of them. What a joke
Might as well say sell ammunition is ok cos without the weapons the ammunition is useless anyway.  So focus on banning weapons but not the ammunition
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: no guessing game on Dec 14, 2024, 10:01 PM
Liddat might as well say everyone should wear birthday suit because people can make a good guess at someone's private parts  from the clothes using AI clothes remover tool.
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Magical Fingertip on Dec 14, 2024, 10:12 PM
What can sinkies do? Sinkies thought they Americans ah? More like prcs srry
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: no guessing game on Dec 14, 2024, 10:20 PM
Quote from: No guessing game on Dec 14, 2024, 10:12 PMWhat can sinkies do? Sinkies thought they Americans ah? More like prcs srry

Sinkies can play guessing game. And I quote:"But in its Dec 14 statement, the Ministry of Digital Development and Information (MDDI) said people can make a good guess at someone's full NRIC number from the masked number using basic algorithms, "especially if one also knows the year of birth of the person"."  :flash:

Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 11:24 PM
Quote from: Banned User on Dec 14, 2024, 10:20 PMSinkies can play guessing game. And I quote:"But in its Dec 14 statement, the Ministry of Digital Development and Information (MDDI) said people can make a good guess at someone's full NRIC number from the masked number using basic algorithms, "especially if one also knows the year of birth of the person"."  :flash:



Is doxxing going to be legal since everything is public info and can play guessing game
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: no guessing game on Dec 15, 2024, 07:14 AM
Quote from: Arctic on Dec 14, 2024, 11:24 PMIs doxxing going to be legal since everything is public info and can play guessing game

Hmm..doxxing law was introduced about same time as pdpa amendment in 2020 wrt data breach. Maybe now that nric is declared as non sensitive data, doxxers might be given more second chances.

Anyways, citizen's data on Bizfile is only worth $33 per person. Can get to verify their nric, full name and home address. (apart from knowing which companies they are a director/shareholder of). There is nothing to hide because sinkies are the lowest caste in Singapore.
Title: Re: Govt intends to stop masking NRIC numbers, says there is not 'much value in doin
Post by: Philipkee on Dec 15, 2024, 08:40 AM
They die die don't want to admit fault but wanna double down
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