reduce in numbers - or to put it bluntly, slowly die off
while other countries want to raise TFR, SG already realised it's hard to get people to give birth because this is a global trend esp in developing and small countries
it's a phenomenon in HK, SG, KR, JP, even China which has a large place
the mice experiment already showed people wont give birth when resources are lacking
so they just continue to import and it is easier.
they also realised the pioneer and merdeka gen are dying off. after that gen a lot of people are divided (those in 50s, or even 60s etc) in selecting the govt that gives the direction
pioneer and merdeka vote for them because of the benefits for them are crazy and they totally benefited from govt policies in the past
so they cannot rely on these people to vote for them. easiest way is to bring in foreigners who will at least vote for them for a few elections
give those talented and rich elites who want to stay here, citizenship
they rather let sinkies slowly die off, esp those middle class and lower.
only certain group keeps giving birth even if they live in rental flats. other demographics all wont give birth enough to raise TFR. these people are educated but not doing so well esp with crazy costs of living esp housing. the group that keeps giving birth will cont to do so while the educated underemployed will not give birth no matter what
if u see interviews, or dating apps a lot of people dont want children esp women
the govt needs more revenue to feed people fiercely loyal to them and those sinkies that have yet to die off (now maybe in their 60s, or younger)...... as the population ages there will be more of this sandwiched demographic/generation
they need not address or acknowledge the issue, because if they target a certain group/demographics, it will be a sensitive topic and some of these people will protest or worse.
so they turn a blind eye to things that are happening (low birthrate cept certain groups), FTs bullying sinkies, snatching jobs
they want to give msians more PRs so that they still contribute taxes and hopefully some of them or the talented ones become sinkies
that way the govt can leech on their taxes and CPF until they leave
sure many sinkies are unhappy but no one came out to voice this. u see HWZ will ban u at any mention of this or at least issue points until u get banned
oppo dont rly dare nor want to touch this hot potato topic also
so basically it's using monies from those working (middle class and above sinkies) and PRs, bring in more rich foreigners to tax, continue to let costs of living go up, make sinkies compete with foreigners and make our housing prices rise up and benefit mainly and mostly jiu hu kias
by doing so, middle class and below that are working will have to work like hell, never able to retire. Only JHKs can retire.
this sandwiched class will be getting some or least small wee bit of help as they become older and lose their jobs or after servicing HDBs or maybe they just have 1 -2 kids. It will be worse off than the silver support now.
now raising kids are expensive and tbh ROI is almost non existent. govt needs to grab more cash because the way SG is heading it's hard to expand esp we have little land and AI comes in.
In the future, these middle class with little or no income and savings will be given small amount of money just barely able to let them survive. it will be WAY WORST off than current pioneer and merdeka gen. This is esp true for those born 80s and beyond, but some born in late 70s also kena
only those born in 60s or early 70s benefited the most from all the housing, COL and other policies
those jiak liao bees doing grab all these (thats why they imposed CPF), will continue to leech on govt and the other tax payers esp when they become old
This is the reality I gather, that is happening now and well into the future
actually the right way is to kick JHKs who leech on us out. but all these hot potato issues are very hard to handle. or minimally tax them heavily or do up policies to make sure they contribute more
I dont understand why they are not doing this to JHK. This is the best time to do it while they are earning the most and Msia is still not developing in the right direction
PAP pretends not to see this problem and continues to pretend.
They want to keep middle income and below as slaves like mice running the wheel.
The housing policy that benefits JHK is the #1 thing i think needs to be addressed, but PAP and oppo dont dare to talk about this.
Because JHKs are already very integrated and take up probably at least 20% of our jobs
Global issue, act of God, no amount of engineering will help, market forces
You see the terms they always use you know they are helpless and pushing the blame to everyone and everything yet at the same time keep asking ppl to vote them cos they have all the solutions
Quote from: Arctic on Dec 11, 2024, 11:12 PMGlobal issue, act of God, no amount of engineering will help, market forces
You see the terms they always use you know they are helpless and pushing the blame to everyone and everything yet at the same time keep asking ppl to vote them cos they have all the solutions
they already stopped trying to raise TFR
i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........
say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas
but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.
if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it
because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents
but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward
those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year
then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?
We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues
I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.
if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it
or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity
thats why this rewards system is good.
only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society
this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"
then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?
if a couple is earning just under 30k or under 50k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support. So this policy above is not stopping people from having kids, but making sure that the kids have enough attention, help and $$ as they grow up
not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats
Why should tax payers bear the responsibility for irresponsible parents? U dont go poop out 1 kid get ur 10k or whatever the sum then dont educate them properly
Quote from: default on Dec 11, 2024, 11:16 PMthey already stopped trying to raise TFR
i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........
say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas
but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.
if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it
because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents
but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward
those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year
then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?
We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues
I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.
if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it
or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity
thats why this rewards system is good.
only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society
this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"
then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?
if 2 poor couple earning just under 30k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support
not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats
This reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children. Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.
u see ah, just need to confirm the couple can make a total of 50k. or even 40k PA for past 3 yrs before giving birth.
isnt this fucking easy?
40k PA is totally 1000000000000000000% achievable for a couple who grad minimally O'levels. Even fucking N'levels or below also can get this as dual income. this is the minimum amount to get the reward I proposed. If ITE also definitely 100000000000% achievable
this is even more needless so say for diploma and uni level
How hard is it to earn 2k per mth, esp with grabfood also earning way above that and now got CPF system to track?
20k PA per person (40k per couple) is very achievable. that's 1.666k per person. i think even Mcdonalds also give more than this. If not just adjust accordingly at 35k or 38k.
that's 20k per person and less than 2k per mth. now with progressive wages that's totally achievable even as a security guard + work in fast food restaurant or as grab (1 person holding 1 job, not 1 person slogging day and night doing 2 jobs)
if a couple, cannot even be bothered to work hard, or got health/mental issues, do u want them to keep giving birth 3 or 4 or 5 then have more social issues?
why dont the govt know how to implement policies through some thinking instead of going through some stupid scholars with what national health record national career records? - https://docs.developer.tech.gov.sg/docs?product=National%20Career%20Records%20(NCR)
Quote from: Banned User on Dec 11, 2024, 11:31 PMThis reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children. Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.
maybe u re-read my rewards system........... my rewards system meaning to incentivise those who can most likely ALREADY afford it. and make those who cant afford it work harder at work so they can afford it.
Not incentivise those living in rental flats with the ah beng mat rempit druggie go work 2 days a week, catch fish 1 day dry net 3 days.捕一天鱼，晒三天网
then the mum poking herself with needles and zoh boh lan everyday just play game/watch tv go down hang around wait to pop finish the baby then after that fuck again and get another baby and repeat many cycles
if u dont give them the 1 time incentive coz they dont deserve it the next time they will remember to use rubber or plastic bag when they want to fuck because there's nothing in it for them instead of the current policy
if even all these incentives come with prerequisites and caveats, the next time they know how to get contraceptives from polyclinics liao
if these idiots cant think for themselves govt needs to think for them and impose hard handed policies. im not asking the govt to fine them like in the dunno what 60s or 70s and impose birth control policies but asking these govt not to incentivise these social problems to breed another generation of social problems
and also it's not a 1 time monetary incentive. that one is ok, but we also need to give them other benefits to deal with housing and other costs of living, education etc etc
the current policy is to incentivise any tom dick and harry pai kia druggie ah lian ah huay and u-know-who to keeps fucking and keeps giving birth but dont give enough attention to their kids
Quote from: Banned User on Dec 11, 2024, 11:31 PMThis reward system worked with baby boomer parents who had many millennial children. Thankfully some gen x parents are smart not to keep the tfr from dropping. Problem is the low ses families tend to have more kids, burdening the society. Being poor sucks and yet they selfishly bring another life to this world to suffer.
and the govt is not helping the problem! i rem the LHL or LW still happily smile and say what we are giving more incentives to people to encourage to give birth!
anyone can fuck and give birth. but do these people even put in effort to raise the kids?
so after their national day rally or budget where they smile and say give more money to popping out kids....... the TFR got improve?
the middle income and above still not having kids because it's expensive and time consuming and ROI is bad. they know the 1 time reward is nth. they want social help and govt to help more not just in money but also overall policy like education and ensuring the kids get a chance to compete in life and live a fulfilling life
the lower income idiots continue to pop out more kids in rental flat because now they get what one time 10k 20k subsidised giving birth
my dad not highly educated but he was smart and also got think. it's not just pop out 1 kid
those other idiots are plain stupid (u know whom) and just want the 1 time monetary reward
did PAP fix the issue?
housing policies are also shit. got time i will post in this consolidated thread
Quote from: default on Dec 11, 2024, 11:36 PMmaybe u re-read my rewards system........... my rewards system meaning to incentivise those who can most likely ALREADY afford it. and make those who cant afford it work harder at work so they can afford it.
Not incentivise those living in rental flats with the ah beng mat rempit druggie go work 2 days a week, catch fish 1 day dry net 3 days.捕一天鱼，晒三天网
then the mum poking herself with needles and zoh boh lan everyday just play game/watch tv go down hang around wait to pop finish the baby then after that fuck again and get another baby and repeat many cycles
if u dont give them the 1 time incentive coz they dont deserve it the next time they will remember to use rubber or plastic bag when they want to fuck because there's nothing in it for them instead of the current policy
if even all these incentives come with prerequisites and caveats, the next time they know how to get contraceptives from polyclinics liao
if these idiots cant think for themselves govt needs to think for them and impose hard handed policies. im not asking the govt to fine them like in the dunno what 60s or 70s and impose birth control policies but asking these govt not to incentivise these social problems to breed another generation of social problems
and also it's not a 1 time monetary incentive. that one is ok, but we also need to give them other benefits to deal with housing and other costs of living, education etc etc
the current policy is to incentivise any tom dick and harry pai kia druggie ah lian ah huay and u-know-who to keeps fucking and keeps giving birth but dont give enough attention to their kids
Hmm, this group of ppl will still breed like rabbits with or without the incentives. Imo Incentives should be fine-tuned to encourage the middle class families to have kids instead.
Quote from: default on Dec 11, 2024, 11:16 PMthey already stopped trying to raise TFR
i think they can impose discriminatory rewards..........
say if have 1 kid a bit of reward, 2 kids more rewards, 3 kids or more, then more rewards esp when it comes to getting BTO and more subsidies/grants in housing and all related areas
but subject to the couple's income or education level or whatever.
if the couple's total income is at least 30k or 50k per year, only then this rewards system will happen. this will also make the couple strive harder, together with govt's help to land better jobs and work hard at it
because otherwise we will see more of the chin swee road rental flat murder incidents
but PAP wont push this policy coz that group of people will protest because they currently get a lump sum when they pop/poop out 1 baby. they dont give a shit they just want that 1 time monetary reward
those rich and educated wont give birth, this is the only sound policy. if u cant even make 30k in total or rather, say 50k total in a year
then what makes u have 3 or 4 or 5 kids?
We need to have unpopular policies......... but PAP is just pretending and feigning ignorance all the way on social issues
I do think 50k is workable. or subject to approval if the couple makes 30k onwards.
if the couple cannot even make 30k per year and keep breeding like rabbits, this will and has already confirmed to be a social problem. at best the kids will become like them and continue cycle of poverty with only outliers being able to get out of it
or most of them will turn to a life of crime or mediocrity
thats why this rewards system is good.
only a certain group keeps giving birth thats why the current policies only incentivize them to breed like rabbits....... so they can get that 1 off sum of money and make their kids become a burden to society
this policy is not detrimental because it doesnt fine them for having kids but they are subject to conditions before being "rewarded"
then raising kids is also a long term thing, are there enough social nets and help for those with kids (esp middle income and below)?
if a couple is earning just under 30k or under 50k PA wants to have 2 kids and they take an effort to raise them, it can still be done with enough social support. So this policy above is not stopping people from having kids, but making sure that the kids have enough attention, help and $$ as they grow up
not like the group thats breeding like rabbits and letting their kids run amok in rental flats
Why should tax payers bear the responsibility for irresponsible parents? U dont go poop out 1 kid get ur 10k or whatever the sum then dont educate them properly
Woah bro WOT!!!!!
I'm not an expert and I know it sounds easy but if environment is conducive, ppl will naturally have children, same as the mice experiment you mentioned earlier
All the carrots - cash handouts, parental leave are secondary.....
Quote from: default on Dec 11, 2024, 11:45 PMand the govt is not helping the problem! i rem the LHL or LW still happily smile and say what we are giving more incentives to people to encourage to give birth!
anyone can fuck and give birth. but do these people even put in effort to raise the kids?
so after their national day rally or budget where they smile and say give more money to popping out kids....... the TFR got improve?
the middle income and above still not having kids because it's expensive and time consuming and ROI is bad. they know the 1 time reward is nth. they want social help and govt to help more not just in money but also overall policy like education and ensuring the kids get a chance to compete in life and live a fulfilling life
the lower income idiots continue to pop out more kids in rental flat because now they get what one time 10k 20k subsidised giving birth
my dad not highly educated but he was smart and also got think. it's not just pop out 1 kid
those other idiots are plain stupid (u know whom) and just want the 1 time monetary reward
did PAP fix the issue?
Pap doesn't care about the middle class. Low income families should never be incentivized for having kids. They only know how to bring a kid to this world to suffer.
Quote from: Banned User on Dec 11, 2024, 11:54 PMPap doesn't care about the middle class. Low income families should never be incentivized for having kids. They only know how to bring a kid to this world to suffer.
ya thats my point, i understand all of u also can understand and somewhat concerned since we are still sinkies
but they want the lower income votes
but isnt this penny wise pound foolish? the middle class and above not having kids yet those problematic ones will continue to have kids?
frankly if ure rich u will still continue to have kids with or w/o incentives coz if u got say 5m or 10m and above what the fuck is 10k or 20k so this group is out. if u are rich u can choose to have 0 kids, 1 kid or 20 kids
they totally lost the middle income votes
and by middle income i think it's 50k for a couple and above. i dont know whats the middle income family now la but this is a good guideline since now dual income making 25k per person per year is not impossible esp with progressive wages
even working as cleaner or security guard u will get more money. dont take my words for it. im sure u all also read
security guard now is minimally 3k+ per yr. cleaners minimally close to 2k as starting or sth
if let's say u are ITE grad so is ur spouse. u start lower pay probably also can hit. and u need to prove 3 yrs working to get the incentive
if u want to grad already immediately get married and give birth that's ok but u wont get the incentive lor. or maybe cut the 3 yr proof to 2 yrs
are u sure u want idiots who cant earn that much through SIMPLE hard work and sucking it up at work, to start a family and give birth?
im not saying idiots coz some people are just not good at studying. im saying idiots who cant think simple things
but again the govt wont do this discriminatory practice so as not to lose the lower income votes. just continue to kick the can down the road ok?
im sure u all know, even as a grab rider............. also can hit the amount i mentioned. EVEN probably as a solo income if he works hard. 30k or 40k per yr not that impossible to achieve leh
i think 30k or 40k is a good guideline to incentivize couples who deserve to be rewarded for having kids?
not some druggie shits living in rental flats. sorry unpopular name calling. maybe well they didnt have a choice when they were growing up in rental flats living with druggie parents so they resorted to drugs
but well, maybe this is an incentive for them to become clean and be good citizens/parents? and possibly receive incentives sometime down the road? if they can rehabilitate and quit drugs im sure they can also make sufficient to qualify under the Progressive wage model?
do we really want these bengs and lians that cant hold down a job and just released from DRC or prison to just go into rental flats and start making babies?
Quote from: default on Dec 11, 2024, 10:25 PMreduce in numbers - or to put it bluntly, slowly die off
while other countries want to raise TFR, SG already realised it's hard to get people to give birth because this is a global trend esp in developing and small countries
it's a phenomenon in HK, SG, KR, JP, even China which has a large place
the mice experiment already showed people wont give birth when resources are lacking
so they just continue to import and it is easier.
Kong jin eh give u 500k would u want children
Quote from: default on Dec 12, 2024, 12:07 AMi think 30k or 40k is a good guideline to incentivize couples who deserve to be rewarded for having kids?
not some druggie shits living in rental flats. sorry unpopular name calling. maybe well they didnt have a choice when they were growing up in rental flats living with druggie parents so they resorted to drugs
but well, maybe this is an incentive for them to become clean and be good citizens/parents? and possibly receive incentives sometime down the road? if they can rehabilitate and quit drugs im sure they can also make sufficient to qualify under the Progressive wage model?
do we really want these bengs and lians that cant hold down a job and just released from DRC or prison to just go into rental flats and start making babies?
The rich need grunts to work.....
Quote from: No guessing game on Dec 12, 2024, 12:13 AMKong jin eh give u 500k would u want children
Tmr immediately go find to make. 500k sgd everyone everyday spend making babies liao la cb.
Quote from: Arctic on Dec 12, 2024, 12:18 AMThe rich need grunts to work.....
These grunts are likely to be druggies and gangsters and criminals when they grow up. At best is do menial mediocre jobs that will be taken over by machines and AI. So the rich cant profit off them.
These poor shits dont even have a chance to compete. They are damn poor thing.
Under current circumstances who the fuck rly want to bring kids to this world to suffer unless u alr got the resources..
I tell u even lower income buay song pap now. Coz these entitled fucks feel not enough money and incentives.
So PAP did the dumbest decision pissing off lower and middle income altogether due to their dumb fuck policies
Important point is they do not want to make Sg affordable as they want to keep on taxing to either make themselves having Iron rice bowl with obscene salary or can have huge spending budget to their companies.
Sinkies are the last thing in their mind. If Sinkies are the first in their mind, they build so many pigeon holes,
Just give 1 to every child born or free education till uni. Think TFR will not increase? Ish ai ah mai nia :s39:
Miw are rich and can leave anytime. Else can continue to stay too since sg is playground for the rich. They don't have to care peasants
doesn't matter, >60% will still vote them back in
easier to import than to nurture internally