Just curious.
i keep reading like this minister should do this or do that cos he is paid millions to do so.
Let's say you were paid millions and you were in that position, would you risk your job for that?
Example would be
Allowing foreign talents to work in Singapore and potentially displace Singaporeans and you know there is a chance stricter regulations would lead to some companies moving out (but only a chance as you won't know until you acted).
Female NS (maybe for nursing). You are sure it's good but it would mean even more people are delayed entry into the workforce which could lead to companies hiring more foreigners or moving out (again it might not happen but you have to make the decision first).
Scrap NS have a fully volunteer armed force of career soldiers. Seems good but if there is an invasion and lack of soldiers, that's it. Of cos the invasion might not happen but if it happens and we are conquered cos lack of soldiers, it's you who will be made responsible cos you scrapped NS. Would you do it? Obviously we might still be conquered even with NS but at least you won't be condemned as the one who scrapped NS and made us more vulnerable
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 08:11 AMJust curious.
i keep reading like this minister should do this or do that cos he is paid millions to do so.
Let's say you were paid millions and you were in that position, would you risk your job for that?
Example would be
Allowing foreign talents to work in Singapore and potentially displace Singaporeans and you know there is a chance stricter regulations would lead to some companies moving out (but only a chance as you won't know until you acted).
Hey didi I think it's on a need vs want basis
Everyone at work first works for their own life
Own family
Own social circle
Then consider whole company
Sg is being run like a big co : no doubt
If gov were thinking .. assuming they think for sg big pic in nx 5-20 yr
Don't mind me for saying
G will probably say I m stirring shi t again
G doesn't want any skewing of population to any specific group but birth rates r far diff between diff groups
So g wil keep brining in foreigners a) to sustain gdp
B) to keep population ratio as diverse as it can keep on being so rather than all r one grp of ppl
If I can keep hvg new ppl to squeeze us here n I hv a way to keep everyone I. Everywhere then the squeeze they can care a bit less
Then mnc hv room to hire cheaply
Then they ll stay
Then it s win win right
Principle worth how much? Only money is absolute. You being kind to the world doesn't mean the world will be kind to you
Quote from: Arctic on Nov 30, 2024, 11:15 AMPrinciple worth how much? Only money is absolute. You being kind to the world doesn't mean the world will be kind to you
Reminds me of a statement. Respect must be earned and not given.
Comes the problem with this attitude
On our first meeting, we don't know each other and we have never earned each other's respect. So why should I respect you at first instance? If it's cos it's first meeting I see how or maybe I see you as a human being so I show respect first, I actually subscribe to respect just be given and not earned. It can be lost through your actions and inactions but it wasn't "earned" in the first place
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 11:40 AMReminds me of a statement. Respect must be earned and not given.
Comes the problem with this attitude
On our first meeting, we don't know each other and we have never earned each other's respect. So why should I respect you at first instance? If it's cos it's first meeting I see how or maybe I see you as a human being so I show respect first, I actually subscribe to respect just be given and not earned. It can be lost through your actions and inactions but it wasn't "earned" in the first place
I agree with some extent
It's like I respect u 60-70% as any other ppl when I first meet u
But ! If u disrespected yrself by say
Never pom for x days looking like homeless
behaving rudely or
Talking weirdly or
Behaving indecent Or uncouth
Coming in pyjamas as a speaker and not making a point with ur attire
Dressing up very very off eg go beach in suits and tie or
Guest put on Slippers at wedding or at industry conference
Basically anything deemed very weird n inappropriate or scary
Then I ll think erherm u not a normal human
but something wrong then your rrsponse from me is the I need watch out this something wrong case human from bursting into something abrupt kinda situation
But in the first place because a human is made in God image so we first respect this fact
Nx are any living things r having life they deserve better than man created things I feel
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 12:31 PMI agree with some extent
But in the first place because a human is made in God image so we first respect this fact
Nx are any living things r having life they deserve better than man created things I feel
So in short, u feel that respect should be given first then it is lost depending on the actions of the other person
The 60-70% is just a way of saying how deep and how whole hearted is the respect
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 08:11 AMJust curious.
i keep reading like this minister should do this or do that cos he is paid millions to do so.
Let's say you were paid millions and you were in that position, would you risk your job for that?
Example would be
Allowing foreign talents to work in Singapore and potentially displace Singaporeans and you know there is a chance stricter regulations would lead to some companies moving out (but only a chance as you won't know until you acted).
Female NS (maybe for nursing). You are sure it's good but it would mean even more people are delayed entry into the workforce which could lead to companies hiring more foreigners or moving out (again it might not happen but you have to make the decision first).
Scrap NS have a fully volunteer armed force of career soldiers. Seems good but if there is an invasion and lack of soldiers, that's it. Of cos the invasion might not happen but if it happens and we are conquered cos lack of soldiers, it's you who will be made responsible cos you scrapped NS. Would you do it? Obviously we might still be conquered even with NS but at least you won't be condemned as the one who scrapped NS and made us more vulnerable
follow the $$$$ rah..
huai bite the hand that feed chiu?
:flash:
i dont get your statement. only briefly read
u mean would u mind giving up your principle for millions?
Reduce the damn population
Quote from: default on Nov 30, 2024, 01:09 PMi dont get your statement. only briefly read
u mean would u mind giving up your principle for millions?
Would you? It's easy to say NO when you are not paid millions. If you are?
Quote from: default on Nov 30, 2024, 01:09 PMi dont get your statement. only briefly read
u mean would u mind giving up your principle for millions?
he meant
Maybe some of those miw agreed w us the masses but cos of who they r
Inside the party
Inside the g
Inside role as a minista they mybfd hv to nod n concur with their bosses to some extent
So they bent their principles to miw principles to remove cognitive dissonance
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 02:37 PMhe meant
Maybe some of those miw agreed w us the masses but cos of who they r
Inside the party
Inside the g
Inside role as a minista they mybfd hv to nod n concur with their bosses to some extent
So they bent their principles to miw principles to remove cognitive dissonance
A more contemporary or relatable example
During Covid. You don't believe in mandatory vaccination but you are ok la so u r vaccinated. So your principle is VDS is discriminatory
Now you are safe distance ambassador checking trace together entry and an old woman wants to go into the shopping centre. Trace together token shows she is NOT vaccinated and should not be let in. She pleads with you she just need to buy something . In and out. Very fast. She say if vaccinate maybe she will die.
Do you stick to your principles and let her in and risk your job and maybe even jail since you knowingly flout rules?
Follow your job description and bar her from entering the shopping centre? But that is against your principles.
If you say call the supervisor, then imagine you are the supervisor la.
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 02:31 PMWould you? It's easy to say NO when you are not paid millions. If you are?
i have no principles :o
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 02:44 PMA more contemporary or relatable example
During Covid. You don't believe in mandatory vaccination but you are ok la so u r vaccinated. So your principle is VDS is discriminatory
Now you are safe distance ambassador checking trace together entry and an old woman wants to go into the shopping centre. Trace together token shows she is NOT vaccinated and should not be let in. She pleads with you she just need to buy something . In and out. Very fast. She say if vaccinate maybe she will die.
Do you stick to your principles and let her in and risk your job and maybe even jail since you knowingly flout rules?
Follow your job description and bar her from entering the shopping centre? But that is against your principles.
If you say call the supervisor, then imagine you are the supervisor la.
For civil servant job they ll say sorry I uds but I hv to go by book
If my shop I ll say just come in maybe
But if she look sick I might say ay I buy for u . Sorry u can't come in
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 03:02 PMAt least u r honest
What abt u? What hv u to say abt ur own values n principles ? If u r the entry ambassador
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 08:11 AMJust curious.
i keep reading like this minister should do this or do that cos he is paid millions to do so.
Let's say you were paid millions and you were in that position, would you risk your job for that?
......
Female NS (maybe for nursing). You are sure it's good but it would mean even more people are delayed entry into the workforce which could lead to companies hiring more foreigners or moving out (again it might not happen but you have to make the decision first).
Scrap NS have a fully volunteer armed force of career soldiers. Seems good but if there is an invasion and lack of soldiers, that's it. Of cos the invasion might not happen but if it happens and we are conquered cos lack of soldiers, it's you who will be made responsible cos you scrapped NS. Would you do it? Obviously we might still be conquered even with NS but at least you won't be condemned as the one who scrapped NS and made us more vulnerable
if we r at Ukraine situation
I ll recommend all conscript exception of mothers to below 5 yr old n caregivers who can prove no one else can replace them
In time of war hvg gender two is not efficient
But if one day all women become like Arnold Schwarzenegger shape n muscle % then we conscript all women I ll also support cos then the costs may be in line with benefits of hvg such soldiers
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 03:20 PMWhat abt u? What hv u to say abt ur own values n principles ? If u r the entry ambassador
Two scenarios
Old lady, unvaccinated blah blah. I will follow the law even if I disagree with it
Same scenario just want to use the toilet just beside my counter and then go off (I thinking of IMM where toilets are next to exit), will close an eye. But let's say the woman chest my feelings and go toilet then come out then go shopping, I will strictly follow the law liao no matter what
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 03:44 PMTwo scenarios
Old lady, unvaccinated blah blah. I will follow the law even if I disagree with it
Same scenario just want to use the toilet just beside my counter and then go off (I thinking of IMM where toilets are next to exit), will close an eye. But let's say the woman chest my feelings and go toilet then come out then go shopping, I will strictly follow the law liao no matter what
Why she ll hurt ur feeling a ? So many woman walk around hurting ppl feeling easily meh ?
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 03:46 PMWhy she ll hurt ur feeling a ? So many woman walk around hurting ppl feeling easily meh ?
Cos I took a chance and she betrayed me. :(
actually the other day i was thinking
there's a difference between
morals
principles
ethics
and legally of course
and dunno got what other terms. very near but got a fine line of impt difference
example morals is like whether a woman will sell herself to get promotion. it's also principles. or a guy who will give in to a gay.
or maybe even lesser issues like watch porn
but principles can be many things also like, wont do anything like charge higher price. or principally you wont overpay or buy things from touts or resellers
then ethically is like when masks are run out, will u sell masks more expensively or source from less clean places like india?
u see all the above examples are legal. just like that time the SCDF and many other sex scandals... it's just a fine line.
technically watching porn is not fine because it already encompasses downloading... it's up to the govt whether they want to charge. next also infringe on rights...
morally is it wrong? to some it's morals, to others it's nothing concerning morals
What's the difference between morals and ethics?
Ethics vs. Morals: What's the Difference?
Morals refer to a sense of right or wrong. Ethics, on the other hand, refer more to principles of "good" versus "evil" that are generally agreed upon by a community.
Quote from: default on Nov 30, 2024, 04:17 PMactually the other day i was thinking
there's a difference between
morals
principles
ethics
and legally of course
and dunno got what other terms. very near but got a fine line of impt difference
example morals is like whether a woman will sell herself to get promotion. it's also principles
but principles can be many things also like, wont do anything like charge higher price. or principally you wont overpay or buy things from touts or resellers
then ethically is like when masks are run out, will u sell masks more expensively or source from less clean places like india?
u see all the above examples are legal. just like that time the SCDF and many other sex scandals... it's just a fine line
Not only legal. Moral, ethics and principles are all subjective. Only law is objective.
ya lor. but ethics a bit touch on law liao
like legal ethics, professional ethics, doctor ethics
Quote from: default on Nov 30, 2024, 04:21 PMya lor. but ethics a bit touch on law liao
like legal ethics, professional ethics, doctor ethics
Vaguely
Breach ethical code of conduct you are going to be disciplined by your medical council or nursing council or whatever BUT not in court of law. It's only when the breach becomes an illegal act then it goes to court of law.
An example
A doctor was late for an appointment and he said sorry mybfd was busy making money. Patient complain maybe he get pay cut but that's it. Unethical but not illegal.
He was late and he said sorry but because he was late cos making money, he did not do some checks cos in a rush and patient got injured. Patient complain and can sue for negligence. Unethical also but now has gone to a tort iirc
He was late and he said he was sorry cos he was busy making money so he said knn to patient why u rush me and then kept saying you make me rush now I lose money I will take revenge on you.. it's unethical but now has gone into an illegal act of harassment plus assault.
Quote from: Philipkee on Nov 30, 2024, 04:19 PMNot only legal. Moral, ethics and principles are all subjective. Only law is objective.
hmm God s laws r objective too ? Thou shalt not sin
Quote from: default on Nov 30, 2024, 04:21 PMya lor. but ethics a bit touch on law liao
like legal ethics, professional ethics, doctor ethics
Yea I think this is code of conduct that is legally binding ?
I'll probably take the risk to abolish ns. Either way we are invaded by foreigners, either due to external threat or national policy.
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 05:08 PMhmm God s laws r objective too ? Thou shalt not sin
God's laws are laws. It's called the 10 commandments and not the 10 recommendations
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 05:09 PMYea I think this is code of conduct that is legally binding ?
I think code of conduct per se are not legally binding but of cos the code of conduct will tell you to follow the law so breaching that code is also illegal
Breach code of conduct - go before the board, not the court. If by breaching the code of conduct you end up breaking the law, then you go to court.
Breach the law - go before the court and not the board. After the court pass sentence then it's up to the board if they want to do further disciplinary measure
Quote from: eatRiceBeHappy on Nov 30, 2024, 05:09 PMYea I think this is code of conduct that is legally binding ?
If a code of conduct is legally binding, then each time a doctor or engineer sighs in frustration to customer or patient (acts unprofessionally) will be hauled up to court liao. But must see the specific code also la. Cos the code is also to make sure u are on the right side of the law so breaching the code might put you afoul of the law also
Quote from: Banned User on Nov 30, 2024, 05:13 PMI'll probably take the risk to abolish ns. Either way we are invaded by foreigners, either due to external threat or national policy.
If you ask me, there should be two tiers of NS
One is one year for basic military training and use of equipment. Only one year. But the most you can be in CPL
The other is for two years. This is only for those who WANT to be commanders and pass the selection test. Then at least the second year is more like voluntary cos the conscript wanted it
Or one year NS but all commanders are career soldiers so the NSF are just basic ka Kia follow orders