How come we not allowed to know?
Quote from: tokiya on Aug 02, 2024, 05:33 PMHow come we not allowed to know?
huai chiu so kpo wanna know his celery
ppl wan to noe chiur celery can ?
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Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 05:45 PMhuai chiu so kpo wanna know his celery
ppl wan to noe chiur celery can ?
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he has a point lor. tbh everyone asked but no answers
last time CCS was minister, and also NTUC chief (i think), he was minister in PMO
does it mean he had double salaries?
if not then how come so special for NCM?
NTUC money come from where? why suddenly can allocate to him?
You know I know lah....
Same as ho jinx... Everything is state secret, have answer but cannot disclose, will disrupt social compact, no meaning behind this qns etc
Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 05:53 PMlast time CCS was minister, and also NTUC chief (i think), he was minister in PMO
does it mean he had double salaries?
if not then how come so special for NCM?
NTUC money come from where? why suddenly can allocate to him?
of coz cum from members rah. imagine how many kumgongs member pay member every mth.
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Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 05:52 PMhe has a point lor. tbh everyone asked but no answers
not say i help him but one person employed by a kompany eg mtuc then he sign employment contract . celery is between him and the komapny
huai ppl wan to noe.. is only becuase he in limelight on tv everytime show face.
is he working for cheng hoo? no.
he is working for organisation only. just like anyone.
if he is ministar .. chiu will noe his celery coz cheng hoo info has to be open and transparant.
but he is nao working for outsai kompany.. chiu dun have any right to noe how much he earn
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Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 06:02 PMof coz cum from members rah. imagine how many kumgongs member pay member every mth.
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Then should back pay ccs, lim swee say and all ex ntuc chiefs
Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 06:05 PMnot say i help him but one person employed by a kompany eg mtuc then he sign employment contract . celery is between him and the komapny
huai ppl wan to noe.. is only becuase he in limelight on tv everytime show face.
is he working for cheng hoo? no.
he is working for organisation only. just like anyone.
if he is ministar .. chiu will noe his celery coz cheng hoo info has to be open and transparant.
but he is nao working for outsai kompany.. chiu dun have any right to noe how much he earn
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Ntuc chief post usually is given to ministers and afaik they are not paid (might be wrong)
Why suddenly can give it to non minister, not even an MP?
Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 06:05 PMnot say i help him but one person employed by a kompany eg mtuc then he sign employment contract . celery is between him and the komapny
huai ppl wan to noe.. is only becuase he in limelight on tv everytime show face.
is he working for cheng hoo? no.
he is working for organisation only. just like anyone.
if he is ministar .. chiu will noe his celery coz cheng hoo info has to be open and transparant.
but he is nao working for outsai kompany.. chiu dun have any right to noe how much he earn
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I think cos ppl are wondering if this position is specially reserved/created for him when he was ousted of politics
Iirc when he was still a Minister, he was holding this post too. Was he paid back then? Double paid?
Also, NTUC not under gov? Or same as Temasek, private company so dun need to be transparent?
Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 06:41 PMNtuc chief post usually is given to ministers and afaik they are not paid (might be wrong)
Why suddenly can give it to non minister, not even an MP?
Yah loh. If this position is usually held by minister, shouldn't he relinquish this seat once he is out of politics?
Quote from: peaceheart on Aug 02, 2024, 06:50 PMI think cos ppl are wondering if this position is specially reserved/created for him when he was ousted of politics
Iirc when he was still a Minister, he was holding this post too. Was he paid back then? Double paid?
Also, NTUC not under gov? Or same as Temasek, private company so dun need to be transparent?
mtuc not under gov. if opposition win govt. ntuc will not be controlled by opposition coz it is independent of cheng hoo
mtuc is incorporated organisation, it has it own charter, rules of incorporation and own by law, own board etc. ish independent. they only need to be responsible to their board of directors.
rook at this way.. who employ chiu.. who will pay chiu celery.
cheng hoo pay ministar celery
mtuc pay their own ppl celery
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Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 06:39 PMThen should back pay ccs, lim swee say and all ex ntuc chiefs
huai pay back.
do chiu wan chiur co to make chiu pay back chiur celery?
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Quote from: peaceheart on Aug 02, 2024, 06:52 PMYah loh. If this position is usually held by minister, shouldn't he relinquish this seat once he is out of politics?
chiu oso said "usually"
just keep in mind mtuc ish not the cheng hoo organisation. it is not PA which ish cheng hoo department.
it is just like a club, can say turf club. traning horse.. ntuc is the club for workers or the football club at shoppign center rast taim.
the only thing is for this club, the club members are all errected mp
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Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 07:34 PMmtuc not under gov. if opposition win govt. ntuc will not be controlled by opposition coz it is independent of cheng hoo
mtuc is incorporated organisation, it has it own charter, rules of incorporation and own by law, own board etc. ish independent. they only need to be responsible to their board of directors.
rook at this way.. who employ chiu.. who will pay chiu celery.
cheng hoo pay ministar celery
mtuc pay their own ppl celery
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Just playing ard with legal stuff and words loh. Just like temasek... Private coy. OK.
Quote from: peaceheart on Aug 02, 2024, 07:39 PMJust playing ard with legal stuff and words loh. Just like temasek... Private coy. OK.
mtuc it is not part of the cheng hoo. there is nothing legal or not.
any one can open up another trade union tomorrow see this : https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/TUA1940?ProvIds=P13-#pr9-
Application for registration
9.—(1) Every application for registration of any association or combination of workmen or employers as a trade union shall be made to the Registrar in the prescribed form and shall be signed by at least 7 members of the trade union, any of whom may be officers thereof.
(2) Every application shall be made in the prescribed form and shall be accompanied by —
(a) the prescribed fee;
(b) a copy of the rules of the trade union; and
(c) a statement of the prescribed particulars of the members making the application and the officers of the trade union.
as for temasick.. it is is pte ltd.
only problem ish cheng hoo is 100% share holder
huai chiu wanna see how much they earn chiu not their shareholder.
chiu cannot see temesick annual report but chiu can see ministry of finance annual report
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Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 07:34 PMmtuc not under gov. if opposition win govt. ntuc will not be controlled by opposition coz it is independent of cheng hoo
mtuc is incorporated organisation, it has it own charter, rules of incorporation and own by law, own board etc. ish independent. they only need to be responsible to their board of directors.
rook at this way.. who employ chiu.. who will pay chiu celery.
cheng hoo pay ministar celery
mtuc pay their own ppl celery
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i can get ur point here la, means they started to pay him coz they are private
but not transparent was CCS they all paid and if not why now must pay him when he is jobless leh?
if rly independent from govt then ministers should not be chief of NTUC
because it's independent when govt wants it to be, and it's not independent when when govt wants it not to be
Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 08:13 PMi can get ur point here la, means they started to pay him coz they are private
but not transparent was CCS they all paid and if not why now must pay him when he is jobless leh?
of coz will be paid. who will work for co if they not paid.
just whether they paid $1 or $1m
Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 08:14 PMof coz will be paid. who will work for co if they not paid.
just whether they paid $1 or $1m
then it is not truly transparent and independent from govt mah
e.g. last time NTUC pays CCS say 500k per yr. but is this declared anywhere when he was also minister in PMO? ministers are not supposed to hold external portfolios (in the past), now after Tharman they changed this ruling (i think for president, not sure for ministers)
if CCS/LSS was not paid in the past, why is NTUC setting a precedence to pay NCM now?
basically is they nv write the law/rule back then so cannot say people question them
Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 08:17 PMthen it is not truly transparent and independent from govt mah
they are 2 differnt organisation but the ppl insai are the same.
just imagine the sme.. the boss son is share holder / director and also workining as coolie and sitting next to chiu.
wat is his idenity? is he board member or is he employee????
mtuc dont need to leeport to chiu if chiu not their member
if chiu member chiu can vote for the board every time AGM cum or nominate chiurself to be in the board.. but who will vote for chiu?
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Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 08:17 PMthen it is not truly transparent and independent from govt mah
e.g. last time NTUC pays CCS say 500k per yr. but is this declared anywhere when he was also minister in PMO? ministers are not supposed to hold external portfolios (in the past), now after Tharman they changed this ruling (i think for president, not sure for ministers)
if CCS/LSS was not paid in the past, why is NTUC setting a precedence to pay NCM now?
basically is they nv write the law/rule back then so cannot say people question them
ccs he need to declare coz he is ministar and need to declare all his side income
ncm no need to declar coz is is not ministar
the law never change
and if mtuc paid ccs 500k rast taim .. then chiu will sexpect ncm to be paid 500k same.
however it dont work this way
just like chiur jod rast time chiu get paid $5k and chiu tuland and quit and the co hire a new person do chiur same job but chiu find out that the co pay the new guy 10k.
nothing has change, the law has not change
is individual nego how much their celery and chiu have no right to noe wat they earn coz they dun own anything to chiu. chiu are not a party to their negotitaiton / private matter.
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Quote from: jim889 on Aug 02, 2024, 08:26 PMccs he need to declare coz he is ministar and need to declare all his side income
ncm no need to declar coz is is not ministar
the law never change
and if mtuc paid ccs 500k rast taim .. then chiu will sexpect ncm to be paid 500k same.
however it dont work this way
just like chiur jod rast time chiu get paid $5k and chiu tuland and quit and the co hire a new person do chiur same job but chiu find out that the co pay the new guy 10k.
nothing has change, the law has not change
is individual nego how much their celery and chiu have no right to noe wat they earn coz they dun own anything to chiu. chiu are not a party to their negotitaiton / private matter.
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me is NTUC member..... but i cant write in la
Quote from: default on Aug 02, 2024, 08:38 PMme is NTUC member..... but i cant write in la
chiu can onli exercise chiur vote during agm
write in gotch no use
also depend on wat type of member, some have nose voting ritghts
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