I received my job contract. It says 2 mth notice period. This type of thing can nego or not?
Update:
Manage to negotiate the notice period. Down from 2 mths to 1 mth.
And probation notice period down from 1 mth to 0.5 mth. :s12:
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:27 PMI received my job contract. It says 2 mth notice period. This type of thing can nego or not?
of coz can nego anything including notice period..
BEFORE you sign..
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Cannot nego one la
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:27 PMI received my job contract. It says 2 mth notice period. This type of thing can nego or not?
Nego with current or next?
Current one if say non nego then just take 1st.
Quit that time they also wont keep u do long la. Pay u 2 months free money ah.
Unless u in high position and confidential document access then maybe got gardening period where u get paid for not coming to work at all
My last job was 6 months notice.
I got paid for not coming to office 6 months.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:27 PMI received my job contract. It says 2 mth notice period. This type of thing can nego or not?
if it's not management role but more than 1 month notice period, it's a red flag.. have you checked whether there's high turnover?
Quote from: default on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMCannot nego one la
can ask.. whether they want to nego or not is up to them.
if they dun wan. can dun sign .
if dun ask means give up already
:frown:
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMNego with current or next?
Current one if say non nego then just take 1st.
Quit that time they also wont keep u do long la. Pay u 2 months free money ah.
Unless u in high position and confidential document access then maybe got gardening period where u get paid for not coming to work at all
My last job was 6 months notice.
I got paid for not coming to office 6 months.
chiu high flyer leh.. ppl workign as security guard rah
:frown:
Quote from: vezelover on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMif it's not management role but more than 1 month notice period, it's a red flag.. have you checked whether there's high turnover?
Yes it's a high turnover. Just small fry.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMNego with current or next?
Current one if say non nego then just take 1st.
Quit that time they also wont keep u do long la. Pay u 2 months free money ah.
Unless u in high position and confidential document access then maybe got gardening period where u get paid for not coming to work at all
My last job was 6 months notice.
I got paid for not coming to office 6 months.
I am asking for upcoming job. Currently jobless.
Bro I just small fry no gardening leave.
Quote from: default on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMCannot nego one la
Hmmm
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 08:37 PMcan ask.. whether they want to nego or not is up to them.
if they dun wan. can dun sign .
if dun ask means give up already
:frown:
Ok will go ask.
My probation needs one mth notice period.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:39 PMOk will go ask.
just say it is unusually long for this type of work. see if they can reduce it to 1 mth which is more standard for this kind of job.
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Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:39 PMMy probation needs one mth notice period.
that's abit unusual as well. moi seen 1 day notice b4. oso hao long is the probation period.?
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Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 08:40 PMjust say it is unusually long for this type of work. see if they can reduce it to 1 mth which is more standard for this kind of job.
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My probation period is one mth notice ..
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 08:41 PMthat's abit unusual as well. moi seen 1 day notice b4. oso hao long is the probation period.?
:frown:
I now thinking maybe they wan safeguard themselves from staffs running away. Turnover seems quite gaolat
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:41 PMMy probation period is one mth notice ..
see post above . how long is probation period. eg how many mths till chiu confirmed?
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Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:42 PMI now thinking maybe they wan safeguard themselves from staffs running away. Turnover seems quite gaolat
obviously they have all the power as they are the one who are drafting the contract with no input from you.
they will use the power to protect themselves.
never ever sign any contract without reading, understanding it and ensure that you are able to perform the contract.
you can speak out and ask for changes anytime before it is signed.
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Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 08:42 PMsee post above . how long is probation period. eg how many mths till chiu confirmed?
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3 mth probation period till confirmation.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:48 PM3 mth probation period till confirmation.
this one seems reasonable. i have seen 6 mths one.
:flash:
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:38 PMYes it's a high turnover. Just small fry. I am asking for upcoming job. Currently jobless.
Bro I just small fry no gardening leave.
Hmmm
Just take 1st. Since jobless.
Pretty sure later in if u want quit, no sane boss want to keep u for longer than needed. Unless need time for handover and find replacement, if yr position is unique and only 1 person doing nia, no 1 else do.
Just take 1st is my answer.
End of the day
If u really want to quit no show up at all.
What can they do to u? At most send u demand letter nia.
Won't go to court one. Time and effort not worth since u say in small fry position.
Tbh
My people I hire also 3 months notice period last time in contract.
But when they want to quit that time, they come talk to me, say next job start in 2 months time how then i help talk to hrd, quickly 1 month let the frllow go liao if handover swee swee.
Don't drag people time for nothing.
To me la. Pointless to have empty shell sitting in office once want to quit le.
Just make the morale low and mood bad for most people nia including the quitter.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 08:27 PMI received my job contract. It says 2 mth notice period. This type of thing can nego or not?
Anyth can negotiate one de yes
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:28 PMEnd of the day
If u really want to quit no show up at all.
What can they do to u? At most send u demand letter nia.
Won't go to court one. Time and effort not worth since u say in small fry position.
if she pay is 1k a mth, then 2 mth notice period , nose give notice to payed 2k to the company
is small amt to u but not small amt to her.
not say will happen but it can happen if she get letter of demand from lawyer / debt collector knock on her door
worth it?
this kind civil claim for small amt is small claims jurisdiction .. not much court fees, if they really want to persue is velly easy , coz the black and white is there.
moi advice is just do everything properly. huai give other ppl chance to give chiu trouble.
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I seen before
My new hr colleague come to work at 9am.
Then dunno briefing session by his boss, after that come out see me smoking talk to me say he kana bluff by the hiring boss, job scope not per what was described.
Then i tell him tough luck lo, want to quit faster quit today, don't drag.
Lunch time I come back, he put his staff pass on my table and left a note say thank you bro for the wise advice.
I went to his hr boss show him his new hire staff pass. Then I gan him say smoke people somemore la.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:31 PMTbh
My people I hire also 3 months notice period last time in contract.
But when they want to quit that time, they come talk to me, say next job start in 2 months time how then i help talk to hrd, quickly 1 month let the frllow go liao if handover swee swee.
Don't drag people time for nothing.
To me la. Pointless to have empty shell sitting in office once want to quit le.
Just make the morale low and mood bad for most people nia including the quitter.
chiu good boss but not everybuttie rite chiu..
see those ppl in edmw rike to pwn ppl .. sg pwn sg.. chiu no hear b4?
better protect herself is moi advice to her
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Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:37 PMif she pay is 1k a mth, then 2 mth notice period , nose give notice to payed 2k to the company
is small amt to u but not small amt to her.
not say will happen but it can happen if she get letter of demand from lawyer / debt collector knock on her door
worth it?
this kind civil claim for small amt is small claims jurisdiction .. not much court fees, if they really want to persue is velly easy , coz the black and white is there.
moi advice is just do everything properly. huai give other ppl chance to give chiu trouble.
:frown:
I can say it has not happened before to my knowledge.
The one that happens usually is those employment agency contract ones. Cos they lose commission and need find foc replacement.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:37 PMI seen before
My new hr colleague come to work at 9am.
Then dunno briefing session by his boss, after that come out see me smoking talk to me say he kana bluff by the hiring boss, job scope not per what was described.
Then i tell him tough luck lo, want to quit faster quit today, don't drag.
Lunch time I come back, he put his staff pass on my table and left a note say thank you bro for the wise advice.
I went to his hr boss show him his new hire staff pass. Then I gan him say smoke people somemore la.
wan to quit can anytime quit one la.. if one person wan to quit but company dun allow him to quit is slavery.
this is against the law.
i think no harm trying, but read this -
https://www.mom.gov.sg/employment-practices/termination-of-employment/termination-with-notice
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:38 PMchiu good boss but not everybuttie rite chiu..
see those ppl in edmw rike to pwn ppl .. sg pwn sg.. chiu no hear b4?
better protect herself is moi advice to her
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Honestly speaking la.
Jobless liao don't give chance to let hr find another candidates who would just grab and go.
Some hr just can't be bothered to change anything at all one.
I can tell u that. Cos all my ex hires those Knn junior position they also put min 3 months, I say who the fuck in right mind will want 3 months notice for a 3k job. Yet somehow they get candidates.
Same thing I sit thru the interview they ask about the notice period.
Hr say cannot change company policy and brush the fellow off.
I just say work 1st if not happy can discuss later.
Hr just want easy life la.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:43 PMHonestly speaking la.
Jobless liao don't give chance to let hr find another candidates who would just grab and go.
Some hr just can't be bothered to change anything at all one.
I can tell u that. Cos all my ex hires those Knn junior position they also put min 3 months, I say who the fuck in right mind will want 3 months notice for a 3k job. Yet somehow they get candidates.
Same thing I sit thru the interview they ask about the notice period.
Hr say cannot change company policy and brush the fellow off.
I just say work 1st if not happy can discuss later.
Hr just want easy life la.
ppl desperate for jod any condition will accept.
when time come to quit then kpkb how come notice period so long
not everyone have boss rike chiu
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Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:49 PMppl desperate for jod any condition will accept.
when time come to quit then kpkb how come notice period so long
not everyone have boss rike chiu
:frown:
Abang I also employee lai de.
When i quit my chairman want to throw me out of window even.
I serve my notice period my garden leave I never meet anyone from my office at all also
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:53 PMAbang I also employee lai de.
When i quit my chairman want to throw me out of window even.
I serve my notice period my garden leave I never meet anyone from my office at all also
chiu 高层 different.
chiu serve notice period chiu are paid for chiur garden leave leh. no need to work got $$$ take.
ppl need to serve either by going to work every day till they complete the notice period.
the kompany will never pay them to leave. if they get bad boss. boss will demand them to do work or even work ot even if it's their last day.
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Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 09:53 PMAbang I also employee lai de.
When i quit my chairman want to throw me out of window even.
I serve my notice period my garden leave I never meet anyone from my office at all also
can hire me boh
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:56 PMchiu 高层 different.
chiu serve notice period chiu are paid for chiur garden leave leh. no need to work got $$$ take.
ppl need to serve either by going to work every day till they complete the notice period.
the kompany will never pay them to leave. if they get bad boss. boss will demand them to do work or even work ot even if it's their last day.
:frown:
in my working life there will be no garden leave.
and, i really paid up one mth salary before, for immediate leaving one mth notice. heart pain :crazy:
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:56 PMchiu 高层 different.
chiu serve notice period chiu are paid for chiur garden leave leh. no need to work got $$$ take.
ppl need to serve either by going to work every day till they complete the notice period.
the kompany will never pay them to leave. if they get bad boss. boss will demand them to do work or even work ot even if it's their last day.
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Is the same thing bro.
U low level or high level position
U go to work during notice period
U think yr boss or colleagues will trust u to give 100%, or do right process for any thing outstanding?
99% ask u sit there shred paper niah.
Why? Cos if u fuck it up for the next person, he would have more shit to handle as compared to having done it right by himself during yr notice period.
Honest opinion.
U talking about salaried managers superiors not boss.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 10:06 PMin my working life there will be no garden leave.
and, i really paid up one mth salary before, for immediate leaving one mth notice. heart pain :crazy:
U never open mouth ask the superior ijit.
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 09:56 PMchiu 高层 different.
chiu serve notice period chiu are paid for chiur garden leave leh. no need to work got $$$ take.
ppl need to serve either by going to work every day till they complete the notice period.
the kompany will never pay them to leave. if they get bad boss. boss will demand them to do work or even work ot even if it's their last day.
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Sorry hor. I not high level. Just a senior agm position doing sai gang cos I never refuse the boss.
I actually left that time my pet project is 75% near completion.
Kana arrow to take over one kept msg and ask me for help during my notice period, I kept ask him u sure anot. I don't mind helping u, but u sure anot 1st cos if u fuck up u dunno where and how u fuck it up. And also big boss want me to continue help u anot.
Lppl one no 1 dare to ask me do, even my former boss also scared ask me continue help the new guy complete the project.
Anyway. Just my experience.
For others maybe lppl suck thumb etc serve notice go office like zombie sit there stare at the air and wait for time go makan go home clock in clock out.
Literally pointless for boss and for employee if this type of notice period insisted to serve.
8hrs
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 30, 2024, 10:06 PMin my working life there will be no garden leave.
and, i really paid up one mth salary before, for immediate leaving one mth notice. heart pain :crazy:
Sistar
U got open mouth ask the former boss arnot.
Or u just keep quiet pay yr way out.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 10:50 PMU never open mouth ask the superior ijit.
I asked the HR if I can waive off, they say no. Govt sector maybe more strict lei.
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 10:58 PM8hrs
Sistar
U got open mouth ask the former boss arnot.
Or u just keep quiet pay yr way out.
I asked le.
Gahmen job ah.
Then i dunno liao.
I no work for gahmen before
What I said all private sector work.
My 3 jobs 3 bosses entire life
All notice period can talk out one.
1st job 3 months period notice.
Got 2nd job start ASAP, I cham siong my 1st boss let go no need pay me no need notice.
2nd job 6 months notice period. No gardening leave thou. Quit and cham siong 2nd boss for 30days handover, say starting new job 2months time.
Even though my 3rd job starting after 6 months later. Took a nice 6 months break then worked 15 years for the 3rd boss before I quit
Last one very dulan with me. Ask me why quit out of the blue I say i hiv+ left 6 months to live le. Not going to die in office for him. Want spend finish my money. Knn he found out my real reason he damn dulan with me actually
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 10:56 PMSorry hor. I not high level. Just a senior agm position doing sai gang cos I never refuse the boss.
I actually left that time my pet project is 75% near completion.
Kana arrow to take over one kept msg and ask me for help during my notice period, I kept ask him u sure anot. I don't mind helping u, but u sure anot 1st cos if u fuck up u dunno where and how u fuck it up. And also big boss want me to continue help u anot.
Lppl one no 1 dare to ask me do, even my former boss also scared ask me continue help the new guy complete the project.
Anyway. Just my experience.
For others maybe lppl suck thumb etc serve notice go office like zombie sit there stare at the air and wait for time go makan go home clock in clock out.
Literally pointless for boss and for employee if this type of notice period insisted to serve.
if it is pointless then it will not be in the contract, they can use the mom standard, huai they bother?
throughout moi jod/career. moi never even seen the chairman. only certain people get to attend the board meaning and get the chan to see the chairman.
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Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 10:49 PMIs the same thing bro.
U low level or high level position
U go to work during notice period
U think yr boss or colleagues will trust u to give 100%, or do right process for any thing outstanding?
99% ask u sit there shred paper niah.
Why? Cos if u fuck it up for the next person, he would have more shit to handle as compared to having done it right by himself during yr notice period.
Honest opinion.
U talking about salaried managers superiors not boss.
yesh.. salary manager
:frown:
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 11:27 PMGahmen job ah.
Then i dunno liao.
I no work for gahmen before
What I said all private sector work.
My 3 jobs 3 bosses entire life
All notice period can talk out one.
1st job 3 months period notice.
Got 2nd job start ASAP, I cham siong my 1st boss let go no need pay me no need notice.
2nd job 6 months notice period. No gardening leave thou. Quit and cham siong 2nd boss for 30days handover, say starting new job 2months time.
Even though my 3rd job starting after 6 months later. Took a nice 6 months break then worked 15 years for the 3rd boss before I quit
Last one very dulan with me. Ask me why quit out of the blue I say i hiv+ left 6 months to live le. Not going to die in office for him. Want spend finish my money. Knn he found out my real reason he damn dulan with me actually
moi wont believe a single word chiu said.
chiu seem to encourage ppl to just take the jod without consideration for notice period coz chiu never need to serve it or nose need to compensate the kompany.
moi dunno wat kompany chiu work for before but moi have personally served 2 mths notice period and never get the manager / boss to tell me leave nao or earlier.
also moi have heard of ppl paying compensation to kompany to leave ealier, or pay deducted and there is also the practice that the new kompnay will pay the notice period if they wan the staff earlier.
of coz it depend on what type of jod. low level, mid level high level. the higher level the position the moar important the notice period is.+-
moi will stop responding to chiur leeplys in this thread and end with .. it's better to protect chiurself then to open chiurself to all these risks.
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2 months notice is ridiculous
Think carefully before signing. Usually notice period is 1 month. 2 month seem like a red flag to moi if the position is entry/junior level.
Quote from: Banned User on Jul 31, 2024, 12:08 PMThink carefully before signing. Usually notice period is 1 month. 2 month seem like a red flag to moi if the position is entry/junior level.
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 30, 2024, 08:41 PMthat's abit unusual as well. moi seen 1 day notice b4. oso hao long is the probation period.?
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Quote from: default on Jul 30, 2024, 08:33 PMCannot nego one la
I msg the HR personnel saying the notice period is too long. I wan to nego. She said ok readily.
Probation notice period down to 2 weeks. After probation, 1 mth notice period :s12:
Heng ah. Got ask got hope
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 01:37 PMI msg the HR personnel saying the notice period is too long. I wan to nego. She said ok readily.
Probation notice period down to 2 weeks. After probation, 1 mth notice period :s12:
Heng ah. Got ask got hope
Wa u super lucky. Gxgx
Quote from: bsg on Jul 30, 2024, 10:49 PMI now jobless also.
U open company i work for u
Quote from: default on Jul 31, 2024, 01:39 PMWa u super lucky. Gxgx
Yuan Lai private sector so many things can Cham seong one ah. So different from govt sector.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 01:37 PMI msg the HR personnel saying the notice period is too long. I wan to nego. She said ok readily.
Probation notice period down to 2 weeks. After probation, 1 mth notice period :s12:
Heng ah. Got ask got hope
yes got ask got hope. no ask means give up oredi.
glad it is a good outcome
:flash:
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 01:44 PMYuan Lai private sector so many things can Cham seong one ah. So different from govt sector.
actually everythign can nego before chiu sign. if cannot ask why.
dont matter govt or pte.
:flash:
Quote from: jim889 on Jul 31, 2024, 04:09 PMactually everythign can nego before chiu sign. if cannot ask why.
dont matter govt or pte.
:flash:
in govt sector the ones who can nego are high fryers, i small fly they no hiew la...
and they already specially mention, no matter which affiliated govt agency (pertaining to my job) we jump to, there will be no increment in salary.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 04:36 PMin govt sector the ones who can nego are high fryers, i small fly they no hiew la...
and they already specially mention, no matter which affiliated govt agency (pertaining to my job) we jump to, there will be no increment in salary.
Chu going to leave chu serpent rice bowl !?!??!
DUNCH DO IT ~ !!!!
:frown: :frown: :frown:
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 04:36 PMin govt sector the ones who can nego are high fryers, i small fly they no hiew la...
and they already specially mention, no matter which affiliated govt agency (pertaining to my job) we jump to, there will be no increment in salary.
anyone can nego rah.
whether reasonable or not.
some cheng hoo jods are collective agreement then is under a different arrangement
:flash:
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 01:44 PMYuan Lai private sector so many things can Cham seong one ah. So different from govt sector.
Not gahmen meh
Quote from: bsg on Jul 31, 2024, 07:09 PMNot gahmen meh
I was from garment sector. Now changing to pte.
Quote from: luckyapple on Jul 31, 2024, 07:19 PMI was from garment sector. Now changing to pte.
Then gongxi gongxi got job liao
For me high rank corporate 30k per month if resign need 6 months notice period.