Threads keep getting nuked in edmw. Maybe we can have a matured discussion on our opinions on the conflict there? Plus opinions of israel or whatever for those of us who travelled there?
moi think P side wrong. they started the war first.
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:13 PMmoi think P side wrong. they started the war first.
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Same here. But this is specifically for Oct 7
Prior to that, it's messy. No one is an angel there. But I would support israel generally though there may be things I am not too comfortable with.
Israel strikes me as a nation that truly desires peace on one hand and on the other does not believe in turning the other cheek. They will do what they can for peace but you whack them one time they will whack you back twice as hard.
Guess they learned that appeasement doesn't work. Tough neighbourhood they are in
Israel is our true master..so I have to support it..lol
CheerS!!!😉
the only way to resolve the issue is to destroy that entire place so now one can lay claim on it
if not wrong jerusalem is only one of the holy Muslim sites, but they not happy Israel occupying it
this is true coz around ww2 and after, british let Israel go take it back so the Muslims not happy
but if u go back to the past Jews lived there
depends on how long and far into the past to stake a claim. people are hypocrites, like china, israel, muslim countries..... all just bring up facts to support their narrative
moi also think p side play dirty tricks
armed man in horsepeter, schools
use their own ppl as collateral damage.
very bad while their leaders living overseas in $$$$
:frown:
Quote from: default on Jun 09, 2024, 10:33 PMthe only way to resolve the issue is to destroy that entire place so now one can lay claim on it
if not wrong jerusalem is only one of the holy sites, but they not happy Israel occupying it
this is true coz around ww2 and after, british let Israel go take it back so the Muslims not happy
but if u go back to the past Jews lived there
depends on how long and far into the past to stake a claim. people are hypocrites, like china, israel, muslim countries..... all just bring up facts to support their narrative
The second and third most holy place for Islam is there. The dome of the rock and al Aqsa mosque. And yes there are two mosques there. Even some of my Muslim friends though it's one mosque there and al aqsa is the dome of the rock
And the border of the mosques is the western wall which is the holiest place for Jews right now.
All within a few metres of each other
thats why best is 1 asteroid come in blast that place
world peace........ for a while maybe
the thing is Muslims will fight Muslims even without Israel. they got their Shia (shii'tes) and Sunni and maybe some smaller denominations to fight
this is just what humans do
then Christian also got crusades and other religions also..............
Quote from: default on Jun 09, 2024, 10:44 PMthats why best is 1 asteroid come in blast that place
world peace
During gulf war one when Saddam was launching scud missiles against israel, there were people praying that the scuds would hit the mosques and solve the problem
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:13 PMmoi think P side wrong. they started the war first.
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Me think p got wrong cos they start
But now il is got no choice fight halfway alr .. want to aim wherever u hide , got kid or women I don't care I just want to kill e war target ; also inhumane n murderer lor
Yet at the same time
Both also laoya ppl
One land two group of ppl want
Just chop into two by some kinda metrics and each control their own part
Well water don't contact river water
But cannot alws fighting fr before Israel 🇮🇱 reinstate their country till now
Never ending fight
Really laoya man
Both sides have their own theory
I say p wrong cos they attack i first and hold their ppl hostage
P supporters say way back i attack them. But that was last time what
Now retaliate act victim suddenly.
The supporters also say i caged them up like a living prison as a ploy
Jews are very clever beings de. They are the most united race on earth cos they almost got wiped out by Hitler
All my x feed can see the ppl say i wrong simi genocide. P don't attack them then won't happen what. Whet u expect in a war
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:47 PMMe think p got wrong cos they start
But now il is got no choice fight halfway alr .. want to aim wherever u hide , got kid or women I don't care I just want to kill e war target ; also inhumane n murderer lor
Yet at the same time
Both also laoya ppl
One land two group of ppl want
Just chop into two by some kinda metrics and each control their own part
Well water don't contact river water
But cannot alws fighting fr before Israel 🇮🇱 reinstate their country till now
Never ending fight
Really laoya man
p side should return the hostage and start negotiating their own fate
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Quote from: jim889 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:49 PMp side should return the hostage and start negotiating their own fate
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If they care they won't operate at refugees camps n let the il side attack their civilian refugees aunties n babies lor
Quote from: Nevereatrice on Jun 09, 2024, 10:48 PMBoth sides have their own theory
I say p wrong cos they attack i first and hold their ppl hostage
P supporters say way back i attack them. But that was last time what
Now retaliate act victim suddenly.
The supporters also say i caged them up like a living prison as a ploy
Jews are very clever beings de. They are the most united race on earth cos they almost got wiped out by Hitler
All my x feed can see the ppl say i wrong simi genocide. P don't attack them then won't happen what. Whet u expect in a war
At back of my mind I d think maybe il allowed the p to attack em cos this gives them room to retaliate like hell break loose n eventually force them all completely out of their occupied realm
(Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory abt ppl knew they gg to be attacked but let it happened so that the retaliation becomes legit )
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 09, 2024, 10:45 PMDuring gulf war one when Saddam was launching scud missiles against israel, there were people praying that the scuds would hit the mosques and solve the problem
Must asteroid or god bomb then ok. If any other country bomb will be ww3 ww4 ww5
Then its act of god. But we alr can predict people will say is USA/israel direct asteroid there one. Or will say god is trying to drive israel, zionists out blah blah.
Need a big asteroid blast until nth left. But if got such a big asteroid most of us sure die also
Quote from: default on Jun 09, 2024, 10:44 PMthats why best is 1 asteroid come in blast that place
world peace........ for a while maybe
the thing is Muslims will fight Muslims even without Israel. they got their Shia (shii'tes) and Sunni and maybe some smaller denominations to fight
this is just what humans do
then Christian also got crusades and other religions also..............
Aiya every big enuf faith will hv dissenters and cults and they sure gg to fight w ea other mybfd
Got human got dissent got wars
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:38 PMmoi also think p side play dirty tricks
armed man in horsepeter, schools
use their own ppl as collateral damage.
very bad while their leaders living overseas in $$$$
:frown:
the civilians really innocent
But after everyone bombed my family
My loved ones my hopes n dreams n future all vanished
When I die , my kid grow up n join terrorists .. what else u expect from a refugee survivor orphan ?
Quote from: default on Jun 09, 2024, 10:33 PMthe only way to resolve the issue is to destroy that entire place so now one can lay claim on it
if not wrong jerusalem is only one of the holy Muslim sites, but they not happy Israel occupying it
this is true coz around ww2 and after, british let Israel go take it back so the Muslims not happy
but if u go back to the past Jews lived there
depends on how long and far into the past to stake a claim. people are hypocrites, like china, israel, muslim countries..... all just bring up facts to support their narrative
make that whole piece of Middle East land vanish then all r ppl go become aliens to seek asylum with Middle East for p
or us for il
No land nobody can claim .. good la
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 09, 2024, 10:47 PMMe think p got wrong cos they start
But now il is got no choice fight halfway alr .. want to aim wherever u hide , got kid or women I don't care I just want to kill e war target ; also inhumane n murderer lor
Yet at the same time
Both also laoya ppl
One land two group of ppl want
Just chop into two by some kinda metrics and each control their own part
Well water don't contact river water
But cannot alws fighting fr before Israel 🇮🇱 reinstate their country till now
Never ending fight
Really laoya man
Cannot coz palestine is divided into 2 parts so they wont divide up israel and israel can contain them better.
End of the day just human psychology, religion and human nature at work. Everyman for himself
Only way is divine intervention
Actually cant and dont want to be bothered. Best is all die incl me
Waste time and life thinking also csnt get ahead
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 09, 2024, 11:05 PMAt back of my mind I d think maybe il allowed the p to attack em cos this gives them room to retaliate like hell break loose n eventually force them all completely out of their occupied realm
(Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory abt ppl knew they gg to be attacked but let it happened so that the retaliation becomes legit )
If don't attack then nothing will happen...
Quote from: Nevereatrice on Jun 09, 2024, 11:20 PMIf don't attack then nothing will happen...
It wouldn't be p and il if they aren't always at ea other throats la . They both share same ancestors the same Abraham ancestor so both said they own inheritance to this holy land that ended got them all blood shed and deaths and never ending agony .. it s now victors r kings and losers r scum kinda world lor
Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 09, 2024, 11:02 PMIf they care they won't operate at refugees camps n let the il side attack their civilian refugees aunties n babies lor
p on purpose operate military operations insai refugee camp so that i will attack it and make i look bad
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Quote from: EncourageSome1 on Jun 09, 2024, 11:50 PMIt wouldn't be p and il if they aren't always at ea other throats la . They both share same ancestors the same Abraham ancestor so both said they own inheritance to this holy land that ended got them all blood shed and deaths and never ending agony .. it s now victors r kings and losers r scum kinda world lor
That time I was in israel someone shared the Arabs fought israel in 4 wars but fought each other 20+ times
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 10, 2024, 08:38 AMp on purpose operate military operations insai refugee camp so that i will attack it and make i look bad
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All is fair in love and war? :(
put both sides, generals + politicians in a cage match.
then can collect the bets :spin:
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ww3 moi think will be rike this.. pls feel free to add on if necessary.
side1.
ukraine, nato, usa, isreal
side2.
russia, china, india, palastine, yemen
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 10, 2024, 10:09 AMww3 moi think will be rike this.. pls feel free to add on if necessary.
side1.
ukraine, nato, usa, isreal
side2.
russia, china, india, palastine, yemen
side 2 abit hard. india will lick to who is the bigger payout master. india is a country u can nv trust.
if god gave me a nuke. i will only throw at india.
israel and palestine issue i feel is the hammas damn smart and they know how to manipulate the media.
they can always sibeh fast claim bomb from israel kill how many how many. media only shows what they want to tell ppl
and yet. neighbouring country no 1 offer to help fellow muslim country who needs help? u think about it y egypt jordan all gei siao? i read their history then i know y all act blur.
imagine UN now ask Malayasia or Indo to take in Palestine ppl. u think they will help?
sibeh big picture if u say about this war.
Quote from: Bardiel on Jun 10, 2024, 10:17 AMside 2 abit hard. india will lick to who is the bigger payout master. india is a country u can nv trust.
if god gave me a nuke. i will only throw at india.
israel and palestine issue i feel is the hammas damn smart and they know how to manipulate the media.
they can always sibeh fast claim bomb from israel kill how many how many. media only shows what they want to tell ppl
and yet. neighbouring country no 1 offer to help fellow muslim country who needs help? u think about it y egypt jordan all gei siao? i read their history then i know y all act blur.
imagine UN now ask Malayasia or Indo to take in Palestine ppl. u think they will help?
sibeh big picture if u say about this war.
india buyed oil from russia and help russia transfer $$$ when other cuntry ban russia foreign transfer. if they change side hope putin come in fix them like he fix his opposition :s7:
hamas is bad.. play sympathy card.
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Quote from: Bardiel on Jun 10, 2024, 10:17 AMQuote from: Bardiel on Jun 10, 2024, 10:17 AMisrael and palestine issue i feel is the hammas damn smart and they know how to manipulate the media.
they can always sibeh fast claim bomb from israel kill how many how many. media only shows what they want to tell ppl
I think while they know how to manipulate the media, a lot of the hate comes from anti semitism. So even if they never manipulate the media still there will be the hate, but maybe not as much
Quote from: Bardiel on Jun 10, 2024, 10:17 AMside 2 abit hard. india will lick to who is the bigger payout master. india is a country u can nv trust.
if god gave me a nuke. i will only throw at india.
israel and palestine issue i feel is the hammas damn smart and they know how to manipulate the media.
they can always sibeh fast claim bomb from israel kill how many how many. media only shows what they want to tell ppl
and yet. neighbouring country no 1 offer to help fellow muslim country who needs help? u think about it y egypt jordan all gei siao? i read their history then i know y all act blur.
imagine UN now ask Malayasia or Indo to take in Palestine ppl. u think they will help?
sibeh big picture if u say about this war.
problem with India is that their country is poor as hell and they got deep seated issues. there are nice people everywhr also but their side too much fakes and corruption and caste system problem. they got too much crime issues and sex issues
if we put aside racism or anger directed at them indiscriminately, i feel they are ok AT TIMES. but the work produced is quite crappy.
they rly too much fakes (certs etc) liao and not up to standard. china fakes but fakes them well
they are like msia, but just as bad or worse. the people want to move up also not easy. there's so much potential for their country tbh.
if we dont get angry and just blast at them, if we think just as normal people to invest or buy into their country, i still feel it is too jialat and problematic and hard to invest in and make it work because of the rampant corruption, deep seated issues, caste system and culture
i think pinoyland got more potential, vietnam way more potential... u know how crazy the growth in vietnam is?
only problem is still corruption and like china, it's communist
pinoyland problem is corruption but can be solved, but they get a lot of catastrophes and natural disasters
i think china was able to move so quick and fast because of communism... so no one can talk bad abt them - once the govt sets a directive, everyone moves towards that direction. This is why shenzhen, and top cities like beijing, shanghai was able to speed through so fast and overtake cities in other countries in rolling out technology
it's both a boon and a bane. if i type this in EDMW will get attacked like mad and earn points like nothing
if they allowed democracy, not so sure if china would have developed so fast over past 30-40 yrs.
however, now the CCP has become their problem since Winnie is trying to make himself the emperor. last time under DXP and JZM, HJT was ok and good
i feel people might be hating on Winnie too much also. this part i dont know. i dont view him in a good light also, trying to consolidate power
but the power of AI, internet all these........ makes CCP and dictators worried also
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 10, 2024, 08:38 AMp on purpose operate military operations insai refugee camp so that i will attack it and make i look bad
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but they also no hv other means to prevent il from attack em
This is their survival ways
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 10, 2024, 08:44 AMThat time I was in israel someone shared the Arabs fought israel in 4 wars but fought each other 20+ times
If ownself fight within ownself .. how can progress n how can grow e country ?
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 10, 2024, 08:38 AMp on purpose operate military operations insai refugee camp so that i will attack it and make i look bad
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I read somewhere. When survival is at stake, anything goes. A lot of westerners and maybe even us JJWW about human rights and rules of war but that's because we are safe.
Example would be WW2 and Vietnam war when the western powers were fighting and losing. You will see their attitude towards collateral casualties change
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 10, 2024, 03:46 PMI read somewhere. When survival is at stake, anything goes. A lot of westerners and maybe even us JJWW about human rights and rules of war but that's because we are safe.
Example would be WW2 and Vietnam war when the western powers were fighting and losing. You will see their attitude towards collateral casualties change
one wrong move they will be slapped with a charge of war crimes
:frown:
Quote from: Philipkee on Jun 10, 2024, 03:46 PMI read somewhere. When survival is at stake, anything goes. A lot of westerners and maybe even us JJWW about human rights and rules of war but that's because we are safe.
Example would be WW2 and Vietnam war when the western powers were fighting and losing. You will see their attitude towards collateral casualties change
if I were the P people, i would tulan and rebel also and if i got nothing to lose i will attack also.
from Israel's angle, they feel why they are being bombed, and the only way to stopped being attack is to attack until they all lose until no ways to attack Israel back even if they are innocent or sympathisers or even non sympathizers
just human nature, nothing to do with M or C or B religion
see the myanmar monks self immolate
Quote from: jim889 on Jun 10, 2024, 04:02 PMone wrong move they will be slapped with a charge of war crimes
:frown:
Wrong move = don't lose
If the allies had lost instead, generals like Zhukov and Eisenhower and MacArthur would be the war criminals instead
Quote from: default on Jun 10, 2024, 12:00 PMproblem with India is that their country is poor as hell and they got deep seated issues. there are nice people everywhr also but their side too much fakes and corruption and caste system problem. they got too much crime issues and sex issues
if we put aside racism or anger directed at them indiscriminately, i feel they are ok AT TIMES. but the work produced is quite crappy.
they rly too much fakes (certs etc) liao and not up to standard. china fakes but fakes them well
they are like msia, but just as bad or worse. the people want to move up also not easy. there's so much potential for their country tbh.
if we dont get angry and just blast at them, if we think just as normal people to invest or buy into their country, i still feel it is too jialat and problematic and hard to invest in and make it work because of the rampant corruption, deep seated issues, caste system and culture
i think pinoyland got more potential, vietnam way more potential... u know how crazy the growth in vietnam is?
only problem is still corruption and like china, it's communist
pinoyland problem is corruption but can be solved, but they get a lot of catastrophes and natural disasters
i think china was able to move so quick and fast because of communism... so no one can talk bad abt them - once the govt sets a directive, everyone moves towards that direction. This is why shenzhen, and top cities like beijing, shanghai was able to speed through so fast and overtake cities in other countries in rolling out technology
it's both a boon and a bane. if i type this in EDMW will get attacked like mad and earn points like nothing
if they allowed democracy, not so sure if china would have developed so fast over past 30-40 yrs.
however, now the CCP has become their problem since Winnie is trying to make himself the emperor. last time under DXP and JZM, HJT was ok and good
i feel people might be hating on Winnie too much also. this part i dont know. i dont view him in a good light also, trying to consolidate power
but the power of AI, internet all these........ makes CCP and dictators worried also
Yes communism makes 1.4b move in same direction that's why they can rebuild so quickly after ww2 but the siaolangs/immature ginna pis in edmw talk rubbish last time saying democracy better for them no human rights etc
To govern Chinese vs govern amdk different
India as lky speaks too many languages even within own county
They have their caste system also. Very fragmented
Corruption etc
both side no angels, just wan the other to disappear from face of the earth
best is stay neutral like we always did
Quote from: default on Jun 10, 2024, 12:00 PMproblem with India is that their country is poor as hell and they got deep seated issues. there are nice people everywhr also but their side too much fakes and corruption and caste system problem. they got too much crime issues and sex issues
if we put aside racism or anger directed at them indiscriminately, i feel they are ok AT TIMES. but the work produced is quite crappy.
they rly too much fakes (certs etc) liao and not up to standard. china fakes but fakes them well
they are like msia, but just as bad or worse. the people want to move up also not easy. there's so much potential for their country tbh.
if we dont get angry and just blast at them, if we think just as normal people to invest or buy into their country, i still feel it is too jialat and problematic and hard to invest in and make it work because of the rampant corruption, deep seated issues, caste system and culture
i think pinoyland got more potential, vietnam way more potential... u know how crazy the growth in vietnam is?
only problem is still corruption and like china, it's communist
pinoyland problem is corruption but can be solved, but they get a lot of catastrophes and natural disasters
i think china was able to move so quick and fast because of communism... so no one can talk bad abt them - once the govt sets a directive, everyone moves towards that direction. This is why shenzhen, and top cities like beijing, shanghai was able to speed through so fast and overtake cities in other countries in rolling out technology
it's both a boon and a bane. if i type this in EDMW will get attacked like mad and earn points like nothing
if they allowed democracy, not so sure if china would have developed so fast over past 30-40 yrs.
however, now the CCP has become their problem since Winnie is trying to make himself the emperor. last time under DXP and JZM, HJT was ok and good
i feel people might be hating on Winnie too much also. this part i dont know. i dont view him in a good light also, trying to consolidate power
but the power of AI, internet all these........ makes CCP and dictators worried also
It is always like that I feel. You want to grow fast (not only country, even companies also same), you need 1 capable person directing the whole thing, as we had with LKY. Yes we are democracy, but he is so good that general Sinkies just basically gave him unlimited trust and power. It is a high risk/reward model.
But once your country grew to a certain size, you need democracy with different ideas/voices/decision maker. It is more like a low risk/reward model.
Think of it as a wealth management portfolio loh, when si ginna not so rich, will yolo to try make the first million. But once got money big enough portfolio, will play safe and diversify
On this thread, latest hostage rescued housed in a journalist house with his father LOL. Al Jazeera journalist i think. Its quite an opps moment for the P supporter side.
To me both Hamas and the far right israel gov are the problems la. Get rid of both, get a more moderate gov body in Gaza (PA maybe?) and show that they can both work together. The gazans need to get rid of Hamas themselves if they dont want Israel to go in
wipe both P and I off the face of the earth
use that land, build up casino resort city
huat like siao
all the ME oil money will flow in, all the Russian money will flow in
bo jiak one
:flash: :flash: :flash:
actually can send those protestor who kept having strike free Palestine to go fight for Palestine on the front line
so in the end who won? can they stop talking about what ceasefire bo? get down to the real thing so we know who win and once and for all stop the next one... dun extinguish the fire, it gonna go wild again
Quote from: Bardiel on Jun 11, 2024, 08:51 AMactually can send those protestor who kept having strike free Palestine to go fight for Palestine on the front line
u think they dare meh? they just wan the attention
Quote from: nyvrem on Jun 11, 2024, 08:46 AMwipe both P and I off the face of the earth
use that land, build up casino resort city
huat like siao
all the ME oil money will flow in, all the Russian money will flow in
bo jiak one
:flash: :flash: :flash:
will still have problems one
humans are the problem
this shit will probably end when israel really uproot all those opposing them until no real threat left then sign agreement until next terror cell emerges
with the new drone/AI tech, both sides (P & I) just become more powerful in both attack and defense only. nothing else has changed though
or suddenly all the ME countries come together and full scale war, then spill into Europe and US (activating terror cells worldwide)
that's WW3 whereby the enemy of the enemy is my friend....... quite possibly RU, CN, Iran, NK and other ME countries (forced into something like a temporary alliance), even though they are not fully aligned
Shia, Sunnis, China's xinjiang, Russia's treatment of Muslims etc....
in our region we all know we are a small red dot surrounded. and brainwashing can be scary
if got WW3 it will be very terrible with the new weaponry and waged both online and offline, might use those biological weapons also (targeted at certain groups of people) and not just conventional war, but guerilla war and small terror cells worldwide
the main reason why ME is forever in conflict is because of the 2 sects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict
and Saudi and Iran cannot get along
but who knows which way they will swing
that's why US is also pulling strings behind to ensure they dont become allies even for a moment
Quote from: compro_1975 on Jun 11, 2024, 10:10 PMu think they dare meh? they just wan the attention
i belive some are paid actor/actress.
eat too full go make some money make some noise
divide and conquer.
just one nuke there flatten everything then game over
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